Competitive value

[Gils]

BWICBC sycophants continue to claim it's the players exploits in maroon that have earned almost 15 of them contracts to play in T20 leagues around the globe

Interestingly enough, Chris Gayle is the only 40 ave West Indian to directly benefit from exposure at test level who then went on to be a T20 success - earn good remuneration - since the advent of these global T20 cricket leagues - circa 2004 .

And look how badly BWICBC mismanaged that asset Since the advent of international T20 leagues, 2003 - present, Dwayne Smith, Darren Bravo and Darren Sammy have also played international T20 off the back of BWI test cricket, but none of that trio qualify as successful test cricketers '.

2003: Devon Smith
2004: Dwayne Smith, Dwayne Bravo, Sylvester Joseph
2005: Narsingh Deonarine, Donovan Pagon, Xavier Marshall, Runako Morton, Ryan Ramdass
2007: Darren Sammy
2008: Brenton Parchment, Sewanarine Chatergoon, Brendan Nash
2009: Lendl Simmons, Travis Dowlin, Omar Phillips, Dale Richards, Adrian Barath
2010: Darren Bravo
2011: Kraigg Braithwaite, Kirk Edwards, Keiran Powell
2012: Asad Fudadin
2014: Leon Johnson, Jermaine Blackwood**
2015: Shai Hope, Shane Dowrich, Rajinder Chandrika

none of that trio qualify as successful test cricketers '

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Which all means the BWICBC BL's actual inference is these players failed internationally and that's why they earned lucrative T20 contracts I hope this helps to clear up that particular piece of frequently regurgitated bile

Furthermore, on the subject of asset management - of the 24 debutantes selected in the last 10 years at least 7 have been engaged in some level or another of conflict resolution with the BWICBC - that equates to a 30% disagreability rating among it's contractors.

[Gils]

Losing the warm up game by 10 wkts to grade cricketers from CA secures a CV rating of - 7.5 & leaves me thinking, If, as suggested, the Islands would be insignificant as independent sporting nations then there should be a simple explanation as to how Grenada & Jamaica topped the per capita 2012 Olympic medal table....

" Jamaica, the small island country of 2.7 million people, has won nine medals in London, giving it the highest per-capita medal rate of any nation with multiple medals. Athletes won one medal for every 300,000 citizens.

India (four medals) finished in last place. Its athletes would have needed to win 4,138 medals to have the same rate......

........One nation was ahead of Jamaica in the per-capita rate: Grenada. The tiny island country in the south Caribbean has won a gold medal courtesy 400 runner Kirani James. It's the first medal ever won by one of Grenada's 100,000 citizens. How tiny is the country? Only nine athletes were sent to the Olympics. (Which is actually a lot, if you think about it.) "

As equally easy to explain should be how India, with an even greater advantage in population than they have in cricket, were beaten so comfortably by these two insignificant nations

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[mikesiva]

"Players sacrifice approximately 1% of their annual county salary for every day that they miss for the IPL, which means they must command huge prices at the auction to make a two-month stint worthwhile. In previous years, high base prices have meant the likes of Hales going unsold."

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If you don't want players to go to the IPL, then pay players enough to deter them.

We need to get away from this mentality that the players "owe" the West Indies team a living....

[Gils]

If you don't want players to go to the IPL, then pay players enough to deter them.

Lloyd said we can't compete, hardly an eyelid was batted. Competitive value

We need to get away from this mentality that the players "owe" the West Indies team a living...

That will wane as the calendar see's fewer and fewer tests dates but the detachment of the request from actual events is at best ignorant & at worst deceitful Calling on passionate nationalist sentiments as a bargaining tool against players - who don't sign contracts to work for his private company - PUKE

For Mr Lloyd to insist on WI first like Kerry Packer never happened shows how opposed the BWICBC's contradictions are with events on the ground.

It's strictly self interest to ask for " WI 1st and test cricket should be given priority " while the advocates admit it's T20 that keeps it alive & without which it would already be dead. So it seems to me there is a time lag with fact and belief among many and just like every experience from slavery though to civil rights their resistance to change will, over time, result in them and their opinions becoming increasingly irrelevant.

If it can happen to the great Sir Clive Lloyd then the blowhards who echo those sentiments here don't stand a chance .

[Gils]

Grenada. The tiny island country in the south Caribbean has won a gold medal courtesy 400 runner Kirani James. It's the first medal ever won by one of Grenada's 100,000 citizens.

How tiny is the country? Only nine athletes were sent to the Olympics. (Which is actually a lot, if you think about it.) "

The problem is most of the BWICBC flock don't think, well not any more than they are told to.

Approximately 200 nations take part in the Olympics, exactly 10 play Test cricket so the prejudiced presumption of Jamaicans wanting a split simply because they won some medals is 20 times less credible than imagined.

They really do NOT think, 1st they will ask to see a Caribbean success story outside of BWI cricket, then will claim athletics doesn't count

However, 1 Olympian every 11 000 citizens is a success story on every single continent, no matter how loud the naysayers bleat to the contrary. A Grenadian success story, that would never have happened if they listened to their brotherly doubters.

The Islands would be insignificant without coming together

If you say so matey, but it's common knowledge that most BWI Islands have more citizens than Grenada's 100 000.

Given the way these reluctantly independent colonials willfully deny aspirant Caribbeans at every turn I'd have to ask what they'd have said to Dudley Stokes, Winston Watt, Chris Stokes & Wayne Thomas before they ranked 14th at the 1994 Winter Olympic games.........

The Winter Olympic committee would never allow a small tropical Island with no money, or snow, to compete at their gala event, ridiculous, the suggestion of a superior Jamaican athlete is almost Nazi in thought

[Gils]

These colonial diehards should really think twice about what it is they are trying to maintain cause right now they are way past sounding like candyland's most favoured negro.

After so much diversion and denial you would expect at least one could have half explained the need or function of a BWICBC in the affairs of 10 sovereign nations.

But the best they've actually delivered is a weak paraphrasing from the last romantic novel they read, trying to come across like we're all bonded by the same culturally mutual & deeply significant sporting experience's - while none can identify the man in the picture.

[mikesiva]

Talking about competitive value, does anyone think this is the last time the West Indies will be playing a Boxing Day Test at Melbourne?

On Boxing Day, the attendance was 53,389...that might sound like a lot to dotties like Afro, but that represents the lowest at the MCG in 16 years.

[howzdat]

mikesiva there was a segment of a chat between assorted Aussie cricketing "talking-heads" and journalist types in which this same possibility was mentioned. In fact it was not only a possibility but almost a certainty!

[Gils]

does anyone think this is the last time the West Indies will be playing a Boxing Day Test at Melbourne?

I always thought that the broadcast deal was the financial muscle that pushed the FTP but the, supposedly new, flexibility in bi lateral agreements leaves me none the wiser.

I also believed the BWICBC exceeded themselves when they earned this boxdungdeh fixture, so underate teflon Dave et al's savvy at your peril .. I know I do, did & will continue to do so

Interestingly enough, you highlight the most fundamental cause for BWICBC existence in the most simple & insightful of ways. Their major claim to fame, the one of Unification

If the stadiums, which are supplied by the state, have no fans during domestic & International BWICBC fixtures then What are they Unifying ... certainly not BWI people

[mikesiva]

"In a comparison between this summer's three Test-match combatants, the West Indies players come out a long way behind their Australian counterparts. They are even comfortably shaded by those of New Zealand, a cricket economy of comparable size, with similar issues about how T20 tournaments have afforded opportunities for far greater earnings away from international competition....as the likes of Chris Gayle, Andre Russell, Dwayne Bravo and Lendl Simmons earn anywhere between Aus $65,000 (US $47,300 approx) and $120,000 (US $87,300 approx) for six weeks' work in the Big Bash League, the West Indies Test players are paid relatively meagre sums. Match fees were slashed from US $17,500 to $5,000 in 2014 as a result of an agreement between WIPA and the WICB that led to a mass walkout from that year's tour of India. By comparison, Australian cricketers are awarded Aus $15,450 (US $11,200 approx) per home Test, or $21,631 (US $15,700 approx) for overseas matches. Contract retainers, meanwhile, provide an even wider discrepancy. The 12 WICB-contracted players are split into three categories earning between US $100,000 and $140,000. By contrast, the lowest ranked Australian contracted player, or the earner of an incremental contract like Peter Siddle or Usman Khawaja, will be the recipient of a deal worth Aus $250,000 (US $182,500 approx) in addition to their match payments. The top-contracted players, meanwhile, earn around Aus $1.5 million (US $1.1 approx)....Complicating all of this were the "Big Three" changes to the governance and financial structure of the ICC, leaving all nations other than India, England and Australia with a significantly smaller cut of the revenue pie from global tournaments. The subsequent reduction in funds - offset only slightly by a Test match fund made available for the staging of five-day matches in the "small seven" nations - has intensified pressure on the WICB's finances."

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Test match fees and retainers this summer
Australia

Match fee - Aus $15,450 (overseas Tests Aus $21,631)

Contract retainer - 18 contracted players plus incremental earners

Top contract approx Aus $1.5 million, bottom approx Aus $250,000

New Zealand

Match fee - NZ $8,500

Contract retainer - 20 contracted players

Top contract NZ $200,000, going down by NZ $7,000 increments to bottom contract NZ $82,000

West Indies

Match fee - US $5,000

Contract retainer - 12 contracted players

Three contract tiers with category A US $140,000, category B US $120,000, category C US $100,000