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Match fee - US $5,000

Contract retainer - 12 contracted players

Three contract tiers with category A US $140,000, category B US $120,000, category C US $100,000
Mikesiva, how much do the 90 PCL players earn when they represent their countries :?:
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Holder is calling for a fairer Test wage structure too....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v ... 57183.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"West Indies captain Jason Holder has thrown his support behind Kevin Pietersen's call for a central ICC fund to provide more competitive wages to cricket's less wealthy nations. Holder stated his interest in the proposal after ESPNcricinfo revealed the exact dimensions of the vast pay gap between West Indies and Australia, a scenario that has made it near enough to impossible for many Caribbean players to continue playing Tests when they could be earning far greater sums as Twenty20 freelancers. Pietersen, in Australia to take part in the BBL alongside the likes of Andre Russell, Chris Gayle and Dwayne Bravo, suggested that the game should try to balance the disparity."
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Gils wrote:
mikesiva wrote: West Indies

Match fee - US $5,000

Contract retainer - 12 contracted players

Three contract tiers with category A US $140,000, category B US $120,000, category C US $100,000
Mikesiva, how much do the 90 PCL players earn when they represent their countries :?:
This is the closest I could get....

"According to the PCL's salary structure, a player stands to earn an annual retainer between US $15,600 and $36,000, excluding match fees and prize money. The player will also stand to earn $13,000 for playing a full season of 10 matches in the regional four-day completion, and $4900 for seven matches in the NAGICO Super50 (the one-day competition). Thus he stands to make a potential annual income of $33,500-$53,900, depending on his seniority and performance."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/ ... 94583.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My guess is that most players would be at the lower level, US$15,600 for the year.
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Thanks, Mike

So, the duty of representing their country is the same but the difference between Caribbean cricketers & other nationals is as contrasting as amateur to professional.
Match fee - NZ $8,500

Contract retainer - 20 contracted players

Top contract NZ $200,000, going down by NZ $7,000 increments to bottom contract NZ $82,000
NZ is the smallest market in cricket, half the size of WI own, no :?: If BWICBC could not right this fundamental imbalance, having agreed to big 3 reforms, then it's likely they never will.

Perhaps now some might come to understand Pybus' 19 historic changes document wasn't a panacea for WI cricket ills but simply a plaster and that a much more severe action will be needed to bring about an effective change to WI cricket, time will tell all.
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"Even by their depressing standards of recent times, 2015 was a shocker for West Indies"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/review2015/ ... 56855.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Read more, if you have the stomach for it....
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" Only in T20s did the side maintain their competitiveness.................. In 2016, West Indies will suffer the embarrassment of having to watch the Champions Trophy on television after not being able to finish higher than Bangladesh or Pakistan in the ODI rankings.

But without a drastic change in approach at several levels, West Indies cricket faces the prospect of redefining the meaning of rock bottom. "

A sober article absent of bias & straight to the point, hopefully it inspires other sports reporters & cricket observers to detach their agenda's & emotions from actual events.

" As low as a full member status can get "

Results have been associate standard for many years. 10 tests, 1 win, 1 draw & 8 losses in 2015 is par for the course, which shows the pig 3 reforms & 19 historic changes document didn't impact a thing.

Changes to team compositions are cosmetic, so to for schedules & formats as they merely placated disgruntled fans & those types of action cannot stimulate a youts interest in the long format of the game.

The rarely considered absence of unorganised match's among the 5 to U 15 age group is a cultural issue the BWICBC have no influence over, but never uttered is the huge advantage all test playing nations have & will continue to enjoy over BWICBC 1st XI, of state funded sports programs - simply because they are all state registered organisations :!:

This glass ceiling for BWICBC may help explain superior pay grades for NZ cricketers from a pool half as big but it will do nothing to alter their private status or effect their inability to receive such benefit, so expect to see the present captain apply for a NOC the first chance he gets .....
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/cont ... 60173.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

I think some congratulations are in order :) . Congratulations BWICBC, as there is finally some good news, even if by default, to announce in West Indian cricket as the ICC have ranked a highly competitive BWICBC T20 1st XI cricket team no 1 in their T20 rankings.

" West Indies have 118.36 rating points, and are now marginally ahead of both Sri Lanka and Australia who have exactly 118 rating points each. West Indies have played 8 matches since the end of the World T20 in April 2014 and won 4 of them, including a world record chase against South Africa in January 2015.

..Coincident to that has been world cup winners Sri Lanka's fall - they have lost five of their last six matches, the latest a nine-wicket drubbing as New Zealand raced to their target of 143 in a mere 10 overs."

A look at the scorecard for that SA vs WI match in question shows a BWICBC 1st XI run chase of 236 - 6 in 19.2. It also shows Chris Gayle was MOM scoring 90 from 63 balls while Marlon Samuels was the the only other batsman to pass 20, hitting 60 from 63 balls..

Given that & the present plight of both payers, on & off the field respectively, added to the large number of BWICBC cricket fans insistence they never play for BWICBC 1st XI again, & then the similar theme of expulsion, almost exactly one year earlier, then aimed at Dwayne Bravo & Kieron Pollard would it be fair to ask if any of these four will be asked to contract in aid of the BWICBC's 2016 T20 world cup bid :?: & if so, can this ICC no 1 ranking be sustained beyond their departure....

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..........How all this T20 success was achieved seems pretty straight forward to me & so is not a matter that requires a tremendous amount of time or analysis but captain Sammys after match comments are still reveling in their own right.
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More predictably BWICBC 1st XI test team were beaten down ( the under being optional ) 2-0 by Australia who therefore, once again, retain the Frank Worrell trophy.

The 1st encounter at Hobart saw the BWICBC 1st XI lose 20 wickets in less than 110 overs combined, a Darren Bravo century & Kraigg Brathwaite 50 being the only bright spots in a dismal display from the visitors. Australia won by an Inns and 212 runs.

Special mention to the evergreen 35 y o Adam Voges who registered a double century.

CV Rating 1.5

A change of venue couldn't alter West Indian fortunes as the 2nd test in Melbourne hosted the inevitable Australian series victory, 177 runs being the less comprehensive winning margin. Darren Bravo & Carlos Brathwaite made 1st Inns 50's in reply to a massive 551-3 while former captain Ramdin & the current occupant Jason Holder equaled that feat during the BWICBC 2nd Inns, by which time the match was already over as a contest.

CV Rating 2.0

The heavily rain affected encounter in Sydney failed to produce a result & only 150 overs in total were bowled up until tea on day 5 before umpires Gould & Gaffarny brought a welcome & timely end to proceedings.

Not however, before David Warner hit a record 133 from 103 deliveries during Australia's response to 330 all out - which was BWICBC 1st XI's highest score of the summer, made possible largely by way of fifties from Holder, Kraigg Brathwaite & keeper Ramdin.
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Can the WICB offer salaries that can compete with the CPL?

The tri-series with Australia and South Africa runs until June 24, which just overlaps with the CPL, which starts on June 20, and runs until about July 28. That's not too bad....

But what happens if that home Test series against India comes through? Will that clash with the CPL?

The WICB only have 15 contracted players, earning about US$10,000 a month. They are Jason Holder, Kraigg Brathwaite, Rajendra Chandrika, Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Denesh Ramdin, Devendra Bishoo, Shannon Gabriel, Jermaine Blackwood, Jerome Taylor, Sheldon Cottrell, Shai Hope, Shane Dowrich, Leon Johnson, Kemar Roach. Match fees are now only US$5,000 only...how many matches will be scheduled to conflict with the CPL?

How many of these players will be offered more than US$10,000 for playing CPL cricket for a month? And what kind of resentment will that cause, if they're forced to play Test cricket instead? This CPL Auction on Feb 11 could be very interesting indeed....

This is how much our Test players were paid in last year's CPL:

http://cplt20.com/news/new-boys-st-kitt ... oom-afridi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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As a private entity no, they cant compete financially, that's been proved time & time again.

So there is now a group of self sufficient West Indian cricketers who are able to trade globally outside the dictates of BWICBC & their antiquated interpretation of social hierarchy. Unfortunately however, those among us with a 1960's world view, encourage their marginalisation & actively label these skilled entrepreneurs as rebels & openly protest their rights to earn a living. .

L Simmons strategical detachment from TTCB/BWICBC, for example, after a fractious relationship shows precisely how attractive BWICBC cricket is in the global market place, even now he forewarns against the current ill treatment of up & coming youngsters accompanied by cries of mercenary. The heavy handed approach & low brow thought process only help reinforce the farcical atmosphere around BWICBC operations. On that note, & in response to Darren Sammy's request for compromise in the current dispute, WIPA president W Hinds has released the current pay scales for first-class players - category's A, B, and C are as follows

A - US$30,000, Category B – US$20,000, Category C – US$15,000.

This is in addition to match fees, which are US$1,300 for four-dayers, US$700 for one-dayers, and between US$5,000 and US$150,000 depending on their draft range in Caribbean Premier League Twenty20.

With the spirit of brotherhood, & in the interests of accountability & transparency you could modestly expect the BWICBC would be only too wiling to have the remuneration packages & company expense accounts of their 50 plus legislative, administrative, coaching staff's etc, made available for public dissection too.

Whats likely to take place however, will probably produce the best plot lines from classics like Robin hood through to Animal farm, swines included.

The disparity between publication of the players money & the Corporations refusal to reciprocate is not just a subtle nuance but more a ideological schism the size of kaieteur falls, that just keeps rolling. The contradiction is repeated as BWICBC employ the most apologetic tones to try sooth BCCI concerns but a stern & unwavering line when refusing to negotiate with the regions most sought after players.

As a method of motivation, insisting they bring no value to the brand is a novel approach I must admit I've never heard before now. :lol: :lol: But If that is true, how did so many of them become millionaires.......and why did BCCI refuse to accept a BWICBC 2nd team.....

If..... West Indies cricket brand name was what held the value then surely that would have been reflected in the big 3 reforms, unless of course some of the people are being fooled all of the time.......

What I personally know is senior players have done very well for themselves in a capitalist market place while the BWICBC exist only by way of ICC subsidy, & there is no such thing as socialist redistribution of earnings in professional sports.
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