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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby Gils » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:12 pm

Brathwaite looked worryingly out of his depth for someone who has been installed as a long-term opening batsman.


And vice Capatain :!:

He has 4 tons is the refrain but even Jerome Taylor has one of those while KP 23 of the 28 average is an immortal so what can we really draw from that.

Darren Ganga has two vs Australia, Brathwaite has .........
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby mapoui2 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:42 pm

Greenidge :D . You don't find Greenidge stuck on the crease.


well Greenidge played 1 test against Oz in 1975, was defeated..brought back and was defeated again and dropped until england a year later

I find precedence in the flow with Oz pace the arbiter of both.

your analysis makes sense yet there is the possibility that Paint is better than what he showed here against the Oz.. and that he will in time demonstrate that quality.

there is one thing I am certain of I have not remembered to mention before. the Oz would have spent some time with the team before arriving in the west indies studying out comprehensively all the west indian players they were likely to meet and devising ways to get the batsmen out and to beat the bowlers

the Oz are past masters at that..and as Paint is a fixture they were sure to have spent a lot of time on him...on lil Bravo too..and on young Blackwood, they would have had nothing on Dowrich and Hope but they were no tyros and so were handled easily.

but the Oz no doubt knew exactly how to get Paint out...lil Bravo and Blackwood. Blackwood s the only one who showed any class against them.

did we study the Oz as well..did we develop ways to get them out and neutralize their bowling..or what to expect they would throw at our batsmen and prepared them for it...or did Paint and company opposes the Oz blind and unprepared :?:

this is an aspect of he game we have not covered yet..in trying to answer why paint and lil Bravo failed so completely. they were as per the Oz way of playing, under full sophisticated attack for which they had no answer, were not even aware of what the Oz were doing to them.

I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies... but I know the Oz and how they do play their cricket and they were ready, are always ready, win or loose..which is why Lehman was always on his pc looking up no doubt what they had prepared for all the west indian players as their turn came

I cant really judge the west indian players harshly for their failures against the Oz. I am confident they were not really prepared as they shud have been to compete with the Oz
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby howzdat » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:02 pm

mapoui2 wrote:...
I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies... but I know the Oz and how they do play their cricket and they were ready, are always ready, win or loose..which is why Lehman was always on his pc looking up no doubt what they had prepared for all the west indian players as their turn came

I cant really judge the west indian players harshly for their failures against the Oz. I am confident they were not really prepared as they shud have been to compete with the Oz
Also goes to show the strength of Australia relative to England. I am a little bit surprised that the team collectively performed so badly. It was as if little momentum has been maintained.
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby Gils » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:54 pm

I cant really judge the west indian players harshly for their failures against the Oz


That's why you were given his career average, and then his numbers vs England, India, South Africa, Pakistan and Bangla.

I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies.


So they didn't know beforehand that the Aussie pacers move the ball around at 90 mph :?:
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby Gils » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:35 pm

I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies.


So this wasn't you touting the merits of the West Indian batsmen before the warm up game :?:

" Theophile by any logic is ahead of no one for a place on the presidents 11. if we are to give such players a number we would have to share one with Theophille, Johnson, Brooks, Chandrika.

if the number is 10.. from 1 being tops.. we may give Johnson a 10a for hitting a fifty or so in a test match but there is no upside to those guys. what we have seen from them is what they have to give. there is nowhere to go with them ".

while promoting the inexperienced Pooran .....
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby mapoui2 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:43 pm

'starting from the bottom to the top' :lol: :lol: :lol:

I did not advocate for Pooran in the test team. Pooran is a prospect that is what I established..a class prospect/Hope is one such/Chase/Blackwood/Dowrich. those are the guys who have batted out of the ordinary and suggested they have more than usual..and they are 18 to 22.

comparatively Brooks, Theophille and Chandrika were/are not prospects by any measurement at at all. they should not have been selected for the presidents 11 and looked at/announced as possible for inclusion in the test side...depending on performance. that was ridiculous, blind.

Pooran was not a possibility at the time for selection anyway. again I was lauding him as class prospect when ready. he must get fit again and develop his readiness and we will see what he has.
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby mapoui2 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:33 pm

I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies.


this must be a very well known anecdote about west indies to Oz 1931..32...about George Headley and they did to him.

George hit Oz like a storm..then his scoring dropped off almost totally. they Oz worked him out and took his batting away. they were on to him like white on rice, had something for him almost every time he batted: took away the leg side field and fed him down the leg side. he goes greedy and flicks away only to find the keeper at leg slip taking the catch.

that is simple stuff..but it works for simple minds like George's was at that time.

what did George say when asked: did you stop flicking, leg glancing :roll:

'No' he answered. 'I take care to make sure no traps are set for me'

Headley overcame the Oz and all they set for him. Headley was one of the greatest batsmen of all time. he was class, he had talent. these west indian batsmen are not comparable talent-wise
try and imagine what the Oz must do now when it comes to organizing attack on opposition players. it must be a sophisticated thing indeed, Paint does have talent and can score. when he has been made to look helpless it is more than all you claim for pace and swing at 90 miles an hour. there shud have been at least a fifty or 2 in there for Paint this series. they gave him none. he was a targeted batsman for sure..one the Oz must have been determined not to let get away on then

now what concerns me is the west indian response. if I know the Oz as well as I describe from general reports and experience..what does Clive Lloyd know from years as west indian captain, having defeated the Oz at least 3 times?

what does Viv know having done the same? but Viv is not there! Richardson is, Ambrose, Baptiste..what do they know of the Oz approach..how did they prepare the collection of west indian neophytes they sent out to meet the Oz, aware of the level of sophistication of the Oz as they must be :?:

that is the question I would like you all to answer GILS....how prepared were both the Oz and the west indies going in?

If I am right about the Oz then west indies had no chance except that they were so prepared in return. were they! :?:

what was the level of west indian preparation relevant to the Oz I have described :?:

what was necessary for the west indies to do in response to have a chance to win...and what of what they had to do... did they accomplish that, any part of... what indeed was their response period...did they do anything at all along those lines :? :? :?

the impression I have is that Simmons, LLoyd and company sent out this west indies side totally unprepared to meet the Oz..totally unprepared to deal with prepared Oz assault. that is the impression I had...that this neophyte west indies team was a lamb for sacrifice at the Oz altar...and were duly blooded.

somebody prove me wrong please. I love to be proven wrong about west indies cricket when my position in the negative.

but if I am right then we have a much clearer picture of the real state of west indies cricket in the games with the Oz.

Headley had a whole tour to deal with the Oz. when he realized that had been targeted he responded properly. he studied the Oz and devised ways to deal with their challenge. he came to know he was challenged and how he was challenged and fought back successfully.

Paint for example had 2 games..2 test matches top deal with it. not enuff time perhaps but the lessons would have been learned and if he has the moxy and the ability he will learn and trump next time.

I expect at least a powerful effort to develop the means to deal with the Oz next time from all west indian players of any class at all. that after all is what class means

a lot would depend on the team administration for sure if they are as capable as is necessary to understand what is going on and devise successful responses. if not they would be obstacles in the players way.

the team officials are in fact the problem now as we can see clearly..the team administration as well as the whole wicb. they are not focused on the cricket in ways that will make the team successful on the field.. which statement clarifies my outlook and the answer I anticipate to the very questions I posed above
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby mapoui2 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:35 pm

That's why you were given his career average, and then his numbers vs England, India, South Africa, Pakistan and Bangla.


that quote..its content, means very little at the moment. it will mean whatever it can in the long run..but at the moment it means little
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby Gils » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:41 am

If career averages mean very little you should have no trouble explaining what has a higher value !

(lol Don't bother waste your time)
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Re: Kraigg Brathwaite

Postby Gils » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:55 am

This week

I don't know for certain the state of readiness, preparedness of the west indies.


Last week

the only west indian historical side comparable to this one in batting weakness is the 1928 side to england to play west indies first test matches...

I will have to do a check but I believe this current west indies side is the weakest ever west indian test batting side


Mechanical physics determines that you cant have it both ways :!:

KB is the 2nd senior bats on this team, his current form in 2015 is worse than his career numbers, :?: So what shall we look to instead. :?: strike rate, or arfo's favorite stat - balls faced.

At which point will you recognise a 35.52 opener is no use to any team above ICC 5th.

The numbers say after 20 tests he wont go past 40 for any significant period of time in his whole career, you seem to need another twenty more tests before you know for sure.

Another 40 more test inns. Having just appraised WI cricket's whole 87 year history in a single post ... is it the Zimabawe tour or the new years day test you are waiting for before a final determination lol.
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