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"Chavez concluded by calling on the Venezuelan working class to take on a broader vision where they don’t just struggle for basic workplace demands but also for the development of a new society."
the progressive government is to secure the nation for the people...all the people! then that government/party is to lead toward socialism, explainging, teaching anc calling on the people to do what must be done. no coercion, no force, no dictatorship but democracy on the way to democracy.
I am more impressed with chavez as the days pass, the more I understand what he has done, what he is doing. the man is amazing, courageous. he has not attacked the right, instead he has turned venezueal into a school of struggle, where he has enjoined the batlle as way of teaching what is right.
chavez has been amazingly forebearing! Chavez has been teased and challenged by the right, by their lawlessness and crime, their murders of his people, their collusion with columbia.
this is an example of the courage that is necessary in blac countries for us to get over. it was this level of exemplary courage that got us over early...a courage now subsumed in the most traitorous sell out of balc interest globally by a suceeding opportunistic blac leadership class, that features not King and Malcolm types but the likes of Al Sharpton, and the mothers of all opportuits Jesse Jackson and Andrew Young.
it is stunning to observe the quality of what passes for leadership in Africa: Paul kagame', dripping in the blood of Rwanda, instigated by the French and the americans...Bill Clinton and Jacques Chirac.... to kill his own people by the hundereds of thousands.
then there is Musaveni in Uganada, and that absolute monster in Ethiopia whose name I will not even write.
Imagine nuh! that Robert Mugabe actually is now the most progresive leader when one counts that Nigeria is actually run from Tel Aviv, directly...that no Nigerian actually runs Nigeria.
ah-freaking-mazing!
then there is the execrable jacob Zuma in South Africa, superceding Thabo Mbeki who was what...Africas Blankfein? I have never seen anything like it, a class of blac leadership has emerged all over the world that is so rapacious they are part of, and facilitators of the blac Holocaust now taking place before our eyes...
yes blac people are being exterminated before our eyes and the blac leadership classes are feastng of blac blood as easily as the white vampires now suckling us dry. if it was not for Chavez in Venezuela and Castro in Cuba there would be no comunities of blac people in the whole world relatively safe...as safe as those nations and their currnet politics can make them.
it is thrilling for me to see a government actually calling into plac, actually creating the means by which developments the need for government would end...calling for the people to take part, to take over, to develop themselves into an overal polity that can run their nation in whatever way they see fit as they go....actually using national resources to prepare the people for such control of the nation, of the national destiny.
this is in practise the principle of the vanguard party winning or conqueriing the political power and creating the means of its own extinction...the famous 'withering away of the state,' to use old marxist terminology.
chavez appears to be leading the most serious, most advanced thrust for democracy ever seen in these parts. Chavez is putting meat on the bones of marxists theory, giving meaning to the theory in practise.
very interesting deelopments indeed
Develoments on a Debate Begun on 446
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the debate on 446 had to do with the competition of th christian churches for the souls of westindian folk, and their advantage of being able providng massive second-hand clothing and food gifts of questionable quality to the people...ove for example hindu churches.
the answer of course was for the peopleto rise up and take over and to provide for themselves all that is necessary, up the levels the nation is capable of on any day!.
but given that all westindian governments are beholded to their political and economic masters in estern power centres any such govenment response would have t come from alternative radical parties winning by whatever means the westindian plitical power.
but hose afraid of the dangers of dictatorship expressed their fear of such radical developments, to the addres of whcih had to be posed the idea that the govern is to secure the nation, provide properly for the people.... which would be a darn sight better, of a higher material level than the crappy second-hand, questionable largess of the christian churches
securing the nation, prearing the people to take chage of their own destiny would leave the churhes, all of them, to stand aquarely on their doctrinal value for relevance, for value to the people in the new social reality. religion is to address ultimately the spiritual needs of the people, by which t is essential for the churches to address the daily needs and safety of the body n which the spirit is housed.
religious doctrine therefore must addresss first the secular reality in democratic fahion that assuresthe people of the highest level of survival available, ensure their ndividual and collectve development, the development of the instrument by which these developments are perfected..the society.
but the churches cannot do that for their real interest lies in the mainainng and leading a foolish people, and so are one with the nefarious status quo that kept the peope down. so in a new and prgressive dispensation the churches would not be able to survive on doctrine for theirs are false doctrines, lies all....doctrines of exploitation, mental slavery, the feeding of lazy and sexually dysfunctonal preishoods.
open democracy therefore, in which the political power addresses the development needs of the people, educates th people leaves the religions naked. the progressive power does not have to attack religion, save where religion can mass actual force agains it. the clarity proper education produces, the full bellies responsible govement policy produces, exposes the churches for the vampires they really are, with doctrines to match their blood-sucking exploitation.
here is a perect example, in Venezuealan developments,of the workings of what I meant! Chavez has attacked no one, not even those wo have attacked him and his party. focused onthe goal he will allow nothing to derail the surge towards democracy.
the people are increasngly properly fed, the nation on the way to self-sufficiency, waliking its is own chosen direction.
all the churches are sill there, all most of the BGO's save those who have been found bahving contrary to the law, prosecuted and removed. the oppostion is still spewing its lies, but to a dwindling audience as even former adherents to the rightwing insanity the opposition represent, see the benefits of the new venezueala and join up
the answer of course was for the peopleto rise up and take over and to provide for themselves all that is necessary, up the levels the nation is capable of on any day!.
but given that all westindian governments are beholded to their political and economic masters in estern power centres any such govenment response would have t come from alternative radical parties winning by whatever means the westindian plitical power.
but hose afraid of the dangers of dictatorship expressed their fear of such radical developments, to the addres of whcih had to be posed the idea that the govern is to secure the nation, provide properly for the people.... which would be a darn sight better, of a higher material level than the crappy second-hand, questionable largess of the christian churches
securing the nation, prearing the people to take chage of their own destiny would leave the churhes, all of them, to stand aquarely on their doctrinal value for relevance, for value to the people in the new social reality. religion is to address ultimately the spiritual needs of the people, by which t is essential for the churches to address the daily needs and safety of the body n which the spirit is housed.
religious doctrine therefore must addresss first the secular reality in democratic fahion that assuresthe people of the highest level of survival available, ensure their ndividual and collectve development, the development of the instrument by which these developments are perfected..the society.
but the churches cannot do that for their real interest lies in the mainainng and leading a foolish people, and so are one with the nefarious status quo that kept the peope down. so in a new and prgressive dispensation the churches would not be able to survive on doctrine for theirs are false doctrines, lies all....doctrines of exploitation, mental slavery, the feeding of lazy and sexually dysfunctonal preishoods.
open democracy therefore, in which the political power addresses the development needs of the people, educates th people leaves the religions naked. the progressive power does not have to attack religion, save where religion can mass actual force agains it. the clarity proper education produces, the full bellies responsible govement policy produces, exposes the churches for the vampires they really are, with doctrines to match their blood-sucking exploitation.
here is a perect example, in Venezuealan developments,of the workings of what I meant! Chavez has attacked no one, not even those wo have attacked him and his party. focused onthe goal he will allow nothing to derail the surge towards democracy.
the people are increasngly properly fed, the nation on the way to self-sufficiency, waliking its is own chosen direction.
all the churches are sill there, all most of the BGO's save those who have been found bahving contrary to the law, prosecuted and removed. the oppostion is still spewing its lies, but to a dwindling audience as even former adherents to the rightwing insanity the opposition represent, see the benefits of the new venezueala and join up
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I began with a note I wrote to a friend with I do not see eye to eye on the issue of the quality of the current blac elites in the world, and particularly on the issue of barack Obama for whom I have great contempt.
there is no more room for ordinary people to lag abut in the age of capitalist monopoly. all the room has run out. unless humans discover immediately a vast world 'out there' and the means to travel to it, to exploit that world and to take up what is now the excess population on planet earth, capitqlis falls back on itself as it is, canibalises the people, society, n orderto save itsef, to make in perpetuity a safe place for itself...rather to make safe the capitalist class that grew fat and first among all others in and by capitalism.
it is they who are in trouble as capitalism has run its course, and society needs democracy or a return to socialism, communism, to go on.
to save themselves the capitalist has unleashed a war on the people, did it many year ago infact that is refered to as the third world war. that war is a class/racial war concurrently, a has seen viscious and reductive wars fought and beign fought on the darker people of the planet earth.
and now that the class/racial compenent in society has taken on a decidedly religious tilt due to th fact that Israel and Isrealis, jews... own everything in the western world, so are one and the same thing with capitalist monopoly stage the west has arrived at, the third world war now threatens to morph into a hot fourth world war, the war to end all wars, as the insane jews, feeling threatened by every muslim pop-gun that portends, even as they posses the most sophisticated nucear weaponry inthe world and are apparently, not afraid to use it, stalks Iran!
it is my contention that blac people will be exterminated. I belived this all the way back into the 1960s when I was a kid, and found great support for this contention when I came to canada and ran into marshall McLuhan the guru of communications, whose conclusions on this issue was amazingly consistent with my own.
I will give my explanation of that later on! but suffice it to say at this time that there appears to be two exterminations in progress at this time..both global, one blac and one muslim..black and brown. there is no bron Hindu extermination in progress yet but 'wat do meet you ent pass you!'
Ihave been looking at thr total, comprehensive unfitness of blac people to meet the challenges that obviusly face our collective survival at the moment, the total unfitness of not only the blac elite but ordinary blac people the world over, as we dance our way to the precipice.
so along with the issue which began on 446, many otghers are tied in. but I will try to explain my side of it of it
there is no more room for ordinary people to lag abut in the age of capitalist monopoly. all the room has run out. unless humans discover immediately a vast world 'out there' and the means to travel to it, to exploit that world and to take up what is now the excess population on planet earth, capitqlis falls back on itself as it is, canibalises the people, society, n orderto save itsef, to make in perpetuity a safe place for itself...rather to make safe the capitalist class that grew fat and first among all others in and by capitalism.
it is they who are in trouble as capitalism has run its course, and society needs democracy or a return to socialism, communism, to go on.
to save themselves the capitalist has unleashed a war on the people, did it many year ago infact that is refered to as the third world war. that war is a class/racial war concurrently, a has seen viscious and reductive wars fought and beign fought on the darker people of the planet earth.
and now that the class/racial compenent in society has taken on a decidedly religious tilt due to th fact that Israel and Isrealis, jews... own everything in the western world, so are one and the same thing with capitalist monopoly stage the west has arrived at, the third world war now threatens to morph into a hot fourth world war, the war to end all wars, as the insane jews, feeling threatened by every muslim pop-gun that portends, even as they posses the most sophisticated nucear weaponry inthe world and are apparently, not afraid to use it, stalks Iran!
it is my contention that blac people will be exterminated. I belived this all the way back into the 1960s when I was a kid, and found great support for this contention when I came to canada and ran into marshall McLuhan the guru of communications, whose conclusions on this issue was amazingly consistent with my own.
I will give my explanation of that later on! but suffice it to say at this time that there appears to be two exterminations in progress at this time..both global, one blac and one muslim..black and brown. there is no bron Hindu extermination in progress yet but 'wat do meet you ent pass you!'
Ihave been looking at thr total, comprehensive unfitness of blac people to meet the challenges that obviusly face our collective survival at the moment, the total unfitness of not only the blac elite but ordinary blac people the world over, as we dance our way to the precipice.
so along with the issue which began on 446, many otghers are tied in. but I will try to explain my side of it of it