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The formula for sporting success ?

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:32 am

mapoui2 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:39 pm
jamaica would then have to deal with the ICC as a small nation with literally nothing to offer of benefit to the ICC nor to command ICC attention relative to anything at all. the ICC is not concerned with nations of millions it would be concerned with jamaica :?

it is likely that the ICC would not consider Jamaica outside of the west indian collective

The ICC cannot give Jamaica or any other independent nation their rights. Independent nations claim their rights, the clue is in the name, independence.

mapoui2 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:33 pm
I dont know what you mean by that. I meant nothing of the sort by anything I said

:?: What does Jamaica offer the ICC. :shock: :shock:

1, Greater competition among its members.
2, Wider global presence.
3, A continued and more unique opportunity to tour in the Caribbean.
4, A long and rich tradition of sporting excellence.
5, Diversity.
6, A chance to appraise it's admittedly outdated and impractical structure and method of administration.
7, Seeing as the most obvious things seem to get disregarded and overlooked on this thread - A desirable holiday destination, probably " the coolest ".

All more than Bangladesh or Zimbabwe, who happen to have full ICC membership have. Two countries who I presume you conveniently forget........

............Other than a platform to display its unquestionable sporting prowess, which is the right of every independent nation on earth, you should try asking what the ICC can offer Jamaica..

....you trot out your well practised line about Jamaica having to go to ICC with nothing to offer except a begging bowl.....

......Jamaica's sporting heritage is richer than the West Indies :!: Fact, overlooking that is the task of a dunce or a dishonest skunt....

....Now consider the reduced production costs of touring in one territory - yu mus really tek man fi fool :evil:
You must think you're talking to matey, bout yu a chupes an a try have Yard up like some likkle begge begge pauper, as if ICC is anybody to ask for rights, gtfoh :evil: , dishonest rass.

Presenting fear as a plausible reason to stop an independent nation from enacting it's rights. Continuously.

You need to move up with your house nigga tactics......

.....How relevant is T&T sport without Jamaican involvement in West Indian cricket. About as relevant as the Windwards islands to the global sporting community

You must have missed the fact Jamaican sports people are the most romanticized and easily marketable in the world after Brazilian footballers and Kiwi rugby players.

That position used to be occupied by West Indian cricket, them times are long gone, while you still revert to a 1950's default, newsflash, its 2014.

West Indian cricket is no longer relevant as a global sporting entity but " your not sure if its dead yet ".Check its pulse.

Look in the stands and tell us if those people who have been absent are ever coming back, after almost 20 years (nearly a lifetime).....

.....Stupid TiT, you need to smell your coat and go see why Lara's twice as much a sporting figure of relevance to trinis as Walsh is to Yardies

He retired years ago and is still your most prominent figure, Walsh retired years ago and we simply move on to Gayle, then the next........

....What can the ICC offer the unquestionable house of sporting excellence that is Jamaica.

Come tell me what West Indies cricket can do for Jamaica that it cant do for itself......

recently jamaica started to cry bankruptcy..150% debt to GDP rate. jamaica is a ramshacke country in desperate need of total urban renewal

150% of nothing is irrelevant to an independent nation, they simply notify their intent in writing to ICC who ask for specific stipulations to be met. Chief among them is to beat the associates. A task Jamaica have completed time after time

Your dishonest little trini piece a skunt come to misdirect with finance.

How about telling us the state of WICB finances, instead of trying to develop talking points away from the ones that have exposed the fallacies you promote.

Come tell me what west Indies cricket can do for Jamaica, seeing as you so clever.

Tell me what relevance T&T sport has without west Indian cricket. Allyuh sporting legacy :oops:

Then tell me bout the state of finance required for full ICC members......

......West Indian unity 8-) and your unflinching support for every corner of the region, so eloquently displayed here...

........Jamaica has a greater sporting legacy than west indies cricket :!: .

Not the 1st time I've made the claim. Now address it, or STFU........

the way GILs talks about Jamaica is hardly different from the way the Nazi's felt and talked about Germany..superior and separatist...better than everyone else

mapoui2 Jul 25, 2014 5:36 pm
to be precise GILs is a Jamaican fascist..not a black one but Yardy one... his focus is Jamaica not black

I have met a few Jamaica's who are like that which suggest that GILs position is not a lonely one.
mapoui2 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:12 pm
actually to call you fascist is wrong..inaccurate.

what you are is more of an extreme, ideological nationalist whose philosophy is based on the uniqueness and superiority of your people over all others. Nazi!
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:33 am

bossman19TT » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:26 am

Difficult to disagree too much wit Maps when Gils cyan stop spoutin dat Jamaican nationalist nonsense...
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:34 am

:?: Is it " nationalist nonsense " for Jamaica, or any other country on earth, to participate in athletics or football as a nation.

:?: So what makes cricket any different
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:35 am

Mikesive :
When Usain Bolt and Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce dominated world athletics last year, they were coached by black Jamaican coaches.

athenasius :
[quofte]Usain is a alien...he would be winning even if he didn't have a "coach"...it's called GENETICS[/quote]
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:37 am

:?: is it propaganda, nazi, fascist or similar to Israeli oppression of Palestinians, when affers cites " GENETICS " as the reason behind JA sporting success.

.....No problem, so affers theories on the " genetic superiority " of Jamaicans dont trouble you enough to label him fascist.....

mapoui2 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:44 pm

I did not see those comments.....
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:40 am

athenasius :
i said BOLT'S SUCCESS IS PURE GENTICS!!..not every jamaican athlete
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:44 am

Open question

If Bolt's long legs give him such an edge, [b]why haven't there been more tall sprinters?

[/b] Traditionally, height has been seen as a detriment to sprinting. The formula for speed is stride length times stride rate. If the longest legs always won the race, then Yao Ming would have the world record in the 100, and lions wouldn't eat giraffes. Gangly guys, the thinking has always gone, don't win short races because they can't master the smooth form required to generate rapid leg turnover. Sprinters are supposed to be compact and muscular: Think Ben Johnson or Ato Boldon.

Big guys have physics working against them. According to the Journal of Sports Science & Medicine, "[T]he acceleration of the body is proportional to the force produced but inversely proportional to the body mass, according to Newton's second law. … This implies an inverse relationship between height and performance in disciplines such as sprint running." In other words, it's hard to produce enough power to overcome the drag of a big body. Usain Bolt, science tells us, is a top-heavy minivan racing against a field full of Suzuki Hayabusas.

That Journal of Sports Science & Medicine study, which may now need to be rewritten, found that world champion sprinters ranged between 5-foot-9 at the low end to 6-foot-3
at the absolute max. (Unlike distance runners, sprinters do need to be big and strong enough to generate explosive speed. That's why 5-foot-9 has traditionally been the minimum height, whereas the elite distance runner Haile Gebrselassie is a mere 5-foot-3.) That range covers all the recent gold medalists, from Maurice Greene to Linford Christie. But not Usain Bolt.

Yet on Saturday night, the tall guy ran away from his classically designed competitors, winning by such a wide margin that he had time to wing out his arms, pound his heart … and still set a world record. If he stays healthy, Bolt could not only lower the mark to a science-fiction-y 9.6 seconds; he could change the look of future sprinters. He is a hybrid never before seen in track and field: a spidery giant whose legs generate the propulsive power of a cannonball-thighed running back.

When Bolt first took up track, he suffered from tall man's maladies. For one thing, he ran as if he were wearing seven-league boots. His coach, Glen Mills, sped him up by shortening his stride. "Biomechanically, his body placement was not ideal for sprinting," Mills told the Jamaica Gleaner. "His head was back, his shoulders were well behind his center of gravity, this resulted in him spending too much time in the air and over-striding." Now, Mills says, "his length of stride is compatible with his height. One of the reasons he has such a long but efficient stride is because he lifts his knees so well."

Good news for tall sprinters of the future: Bolt and Mills have developed the ideal gait for a 6-foot-5 runner. It allows Bolt to use his size as a motor rather than a brake. Still, he doesn't have a classic sprinter's carriage. In the 100, he sometimes looks rickety, wobbling back and forth on the track; a less-coordinated athlete with the same dimensions might topple over as he bounds down the straightaway. Sometimes, he still lifts himself too high in the air, especially on the turn in the 200 meters. (It's hard to see how that flaw will keep him from winning a second gold medal, though.)

So will the starting blocks at the 2012 Olympics be filled by giants? Probably not. One reason we've never seen such a tall sprinter is that athletes who combine height and coordination usually go out for more glamorous, high-paying sports. Usain Bolt would make a sensational wide receiver or a great rebounding forward. In the United States, at least, a lot of guys started running track because they got cut from teams with cheerleaders. But Jamaicans regard sprinters the way the French regard wine: as a leading export, and a source of national identity. Asafa Powell, who held the world record before Bolt (and who finished fifth in Beijing, continuing a string of big-race washouts), owns six cars and has been awarded the country's Order of Distinction. America's Tyson Gay, by contrast, is less well-known than pretty much every NBA benchwarmer.

While Bolt's amazing feat likely won't inspire the next generation of Kobe Bryants to exchange their hightops for track spikes, he will undoubtedly be an inspiration to his fellow countrymen. Bolt has confessed that his first love was cricket, but his victory in the 100 made him a hero in a way the bat and ball never could have. He could be a one-off athletic freak, defying Newtonian physics, or the prototype for a new breed of bigger, faster sprinters. I'm guessing we'll find out in years to come, as long-legged Jamaicans drop their cricket bats and head for the track.

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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:46 am

In Bolt's case, it helps that he is from Jamaica. Studies have shown that black athletes with West African ancestry have significantly more "fast-twitch" muscle fibres, which tire easily but contract more quickly than the "slow-twitch" fibres commonly found in long-distance runners.

"To be a great sprinter you need leg muscles that are dominated by fast-twitch muscle fibres because they shorten the muscle quickly and generate power," said Professor Steve Harridge of Kings College London.

"Marathon runners have more slow-twitch fibres, which is one of the reasons why you are never going to turn Paula Radcliffe into a great sprinter, or Usain Bolt into a good long-distance runner," Professor Harridge said.

Weight training can make fast-twitch fibres thicker and stronger but there is no evidence to suggest that it is possible to convert one type of muscle fibre to another by training alone.

Scientists have also found that there are certain natural variants of a gene called ACTN3 that can boost the performance of fast-twitch muscle fibres. Again, whether you have the "sprint gene" or not depends on whether you have inherited it. Some nationalities, such as Jamaicans, are known to have a higher prevalence of the sprint gene than other groups.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olym ... 05992.html
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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:51 am

While culture, environment, individual initiative and just plain luck might influence which individuals succeed, nature—your DNA—circumscribes the possibility of even being in the game.
This is population genetics 101. Bolt and his Jamaican teammates are members of a tiny slice of the world population—elite athletes who trace their ancestry to western and central Africa—whose body types and physiology have been uniquely shaped by thousands of years of evolution to run fast.

Genetically linked, highly heritable characteristics such as skeletal structure, the distribution of muscle fiber types (for example, sprinters have more natural fast twitch fibers, while distance runners are naturally endowed with more of the slow twitch variety), reflex capabilities, metabolic efficiency and lung capacity are not evenly distributed among populations. Do we yet know the specific genes that contribute to on the field success? No, but that’s not an argument against the powerful role of genetics in sports. We do not yet know all the factors that determine skin color, but we know that genetics determines it. Slowly, geneticists will link human performance, including sports skills, to our DNA and more specifically to our ancestral roots—populations.

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Re: The formula for success

Postby Gils » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:01 am

What they have found - and Morrison emphasises the findings are preliminary - is that fast men have a special component called Actinen A in their fast-twitch muscles, which determine whether humans are sprinters or plodders. It is found in 70 per cent of Jamaicans. In a control study of Australians, only 30 per cent were found with it.

It would seem to explain why Jamaicans punch above their weight among sprinters. Jamaican-born Donovan Bailey for Canada, and Jamaican-born Linford Christie for Britain, both won the Olympic 100m.

So did Johnson - before it was stripped from him. Jamaican legend Don Quarrie won the 200 in 1976 and Veronica Campbell in 2004. Arthur Wint (1948) and George Rhoden (1952) both won Olympic 400m and a whole host of Jamaicans have picked up other sprint medals. Yet the country has a population of less than 2,800,000.

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