Suh Thomas is the replacement for Ramdin?

[BallOil]

Usually when you replace a player it usually for a better one...

[Googley]

no sir, he was the replacement for Baugh.

which means Baugh was the best, Thomas was second and then the rest (which includes Rumdin).

wat a joke!!!

[BallOil]

Thomas has been worse than RAmdin but now we only need a specialist keeper.

When Ramdin play he has to out bat the specialist batsman else is cuss. I know my fren Mapoui will think I'm picking up for Rams but he know the deal.

Is double standards @ play in WI selection?

[BallOil]

Panditji talks about higher standard players...is he right? Ramdin out of contention even after a solid ton today against the Jamaicans in them yard. Shiv pon the bench, with higher average than most of the poser, etc... Ravi gets a paltry game after warming the bench for most of the WC. All the other bowlers gets a shot before the most exp ODI bowler sitting with superior SR and avg.

I don't want to get into this type of biz but I'm just looking in...

[mapoui]

Panditji talks about higher standard players...is he right? Ramdin out of contention even after a solid ton today against the Jamaicans in them yard. Shiv pon the bench, with higher average than most of the poser, etc... Ravi gets a paltry game after warming the bench for most of the WC. All the other bowlers gets a shot before the most exp ODI bowler sitting with superior SR and avg.

I don't want to get into this type of biz but I'm just looking in...

I dont buy the pandits argument. his is an ethnic argument and it is not valid.

Ramdin is the architect of his own loss of place on the team. he does not score and dat gave the selectors the oportunity to drop him.

I dont think Butts cares in this issue. any drive to drop Ramdin would have come from Haynes who wold be looking out for Yardie players. there is no Trinidadian in the selection committee anymore. and here is a section in the westindies who prefer Baugh to Ramdin.

and now that Baugh is injured and as a light bulb seems to have gone on in their heads about blooding younger players, and Dotties as well, we have Thomas, not back to Ramdin, who has just scored a ton in the Yard albeit against a very weak attack.

it is a very parochial thing taking place here. the Dots are in charge, they regard this time as their time and they are capitalising as best they can.

its is a very poor thing they are doing, the . as I said 2 wrongs dont make a right. but what they are doing aint necessarily ethnic driven. ti never has been that in the westindies...always has been sub-regional frivalry and insularity

[mapoui]

the selectors are looking for their ''own" players....not necessarily the best players.

westindies wins when the best players coincides with the island and territory the selector is from

relatively, westindies may have just lucked out with Bishoo for to my way of thinking he was selected precisely because of the youth movement precipitated by a drive to legitimise sammys place as cappo.

in hindsight Bishoo shud have made the team before Miller if even only for variety sake.

but Guyana has no selector and jamaica has Haynes, surely a formidable type of personality which results in the number of Yardies on the team, justified or not.

Russell and Gayle are justified. Miller and Baugh not!

but in selecting for the WC I would have picked for the keeper Simmons out of Titty or Fletcher from the Dotts...neither Baugh nor Ramdin.

[Googley]

I agree with Maps' analysis. Its all about home boys.

I would have sent Simmons to replace Baugh.

Thomas has not proven himself and one don't bring in wet behind the ears players in a WC! Both edwards and thomas should have stayed home!

[BallOil]

Talk all yuh talk but until there is transparency... it's all talk. Why the coach didn't want to answer question why Shiv was dropped?

[mapoui]

Talk all yuh talk but until there is transparency... it's all talk. Why the coach didn't want to answer question why Shiv was dropped?

how does one proceed in issues...that is the question!

you do not have have the suspicion of a plausible case for the ethnic direction...none at all.

but we do have the parochial, insular case from the very start of westindies cricket when it was all white and continued on and up into black and brown control.

I knew Viv Richards, not directly but lived in his vicinty for a while. I spoke to him once on the phone about an issue in which he had the say and I could have, if he was interested in my participation. he was not. he made sure that an antiguan had that say!

I had no problem with that..still dont! it is the same attitude that kept Richie Richardson his place in the westindies side when he should have been dropped for Logie. it is the same attitude that led to Richies captaincy to succeed Viv himself.

and living up the dots gave me first hand, a sense of their parochialism, and their sense of hurt at their treatment at the hands of the big territories over a long period of time. that hurt is pappable in their generations contemporaneous with mine. I dont know about the younger generations but I am certain they far from untainted by that history..the relationship of the smaller territories, to the bigger ones in the westindies, which ws a very prejudicial one indeed.

but 2 wrongs doh make a right and by now people like Hunte and dem shud have seen the light and far from repeating what the bigger trerritories did, should be leading in the positive direction, the one we must travel to correct historical injustice

[mapoui]

everton weekes will tell you that they wanted to get Hall into the westindies tour of england in 1957. so in the trials to select the team for that tour, so they targeted Halls competiton and blasted him(them) our of contention.

and when people like Tn Pierce I believe was president of the wicb tons os bajans got picked as opposed to other times.

if there was racism in westindies cricket it was to maintain a white captain at all costs. CLR James put an end to that. under worrell the wicb was at its fairest when it came to selection of teams, although Holford got through, the Lloyd had his Harper, Viv Hard his Richie etc...

and when ledder Face Gordon came in he brought Lara back as cappo. he could not see Hoops over Lara...or soemthing like dat.

there will come a time when Indians will rise to the top of westindies cricket Bally...as certan as the sun will rise. wat will happen then? dat is a questions it is far from too early to start work on. would it be possible for the same parochialism to play..for then that wont be parochialism and insularity then, but ethnocentrism with all the explosive potential that would contain!

what do you think?