Why Windians accepted the Panamanian but not the Aussie?

[mapoui]

I've voted for Obama... is Obama black or white? isn't that support?

I am not asking you to support blac people you know! you can do what you like..its up to you!

I am stating a reality in the westindies..in the world... not asking anyone do any damm thing!

[BallOil]

I've voted for Obama... is Obama black or white? isn't that support?

I am not asking you to support blac people you know! you can do what you like..its up to you!

I am stating a reality in the westindies..in the world... not asking anyone do any damm thing!

Mapoui, you missed the big picture...my vote created history electing the first blac president for better or for worse

regarding Nash...you have to read between the lines ... WI desperately needed a leader, why is Nash not in contention? How many threads you see people calling for Nash for cappo? Why aren't these people calling for Nash to lead?

[Huckle]

we are what we are...a product of the environment!

[mapoui]

nash has played all of what 10-12 tests up `to now?

he should be considered on that skimpy basis?

how may Bravo play so far?

and if nash what about ganga? I would take take Ganga any day ove nash because I kow we have a good captain in ganga. but we have no idae at all what to expect from nash as captain.

look at unconscius racism here. no questions are asked or considered about nash on such a skimpy basis for the captaincy. because he is white everybody take it for granted that he can captain.

if nash was blac he would be scrutinised up and down, minutely with regard to leadership abilities..rejected outright..would not be considered in he first place on the basis of so little experience. but not nash! googley sees him as a legitimate candidate.

incredible!

[Googley]

because he is white everybody take it for granted that he can captain

once again you are going off the deep end, missing the whole arugement!

First of all Nash's name gets mentioned because he has the discipline and work ethic of a good leader, which is clearly lacked in Gayle, Bravo, Ramdin and even Sarwan! The only other contender for captaincy, based on discipline and work ethics is Darren Sammy. But Sammy can't get even in the side! So until Sammy can cement his place in the team, i am ruling him out!

Thus, the only legitimate contender is Nash! Right now Nash is an automatic pick in this current WI team. Just like Headley was an automatic pick in that WI team. No one is knocking at the door to derail Nash from the team. Would i like to see someone come and displace Nash? sure! That makes for a better WI team. in fact, i would like the see all the current players displaced by players with better performances!

I wrote this same thing in the other thread, but all you, Maps see is black and white!

Bally brought up the point about Headley....answer without mentioing color! let me see you do that!

[mapoui]

discipline in approach etc is only a factor that may encourage a look at a player with the idea of captaincy in mind. it does not gurantee that that player can in fact lead.

the lack of experience of that player makes him a risk at best!

also nash is not an automatic selection in the side in the near forseable future. nash is not good enough to maintain himself in the side given the rise of players like Barath and lil Bravo. as soon as injury ceases to be a problem, shive and sarwan avalable with gayle and Barath, the questions will begin about nashs place.

nash scored some decent runs but there is no upside to him at 32. we appoint him captain and we dont know how he will turn out. we may saddle ourselvs with a captain who cant maintain himsel in the side soon becuase we grew better players who must be included.

nash is not even westindian and that could tgurn out to be a major negative factor as well.

Larry Gomes was one of the most hardworking, sensible and disciplined of cricketers. yet he came nowhere near the westindian captaincy. he simply was not a an to be considered for that job. and where Gomes became captain..TT.. he did not shine as leader

I would consider neither Sammy nor Nash for leadership of the westindies. experience is my thing. I would not appoint an inexperienced person to run very much n this world. that makes little sense in the light of all experience.

the answer to westindies leadership problems at this time can be resolved by a commitee. regardless of the player in the current top 15 selected we have problems. these problems can be solved only by a brain trust on and off the field making the on field decision.

we have a great deal of expertrise off the field watching whats going on and know what to do..even of tghe captain on the field is clue-less. that info must be communicated the leader on the field. ways must be worked out to faciliate such communication.

strategy must be a comprehensivley worked out symbiotic thing, among the westindian braintrust which idealyy would include the captain, v/captain and the team...whoever is appointed to a cohesive commitee of leadership. so when the leader goes out on the field he is well informed, the strategy is whole..and anythign esle can be communicated to him on the field.

at this time that must be a close, constant and intensive program with about 3-5 palyers all of whom may be considered future captains. themust eat, practice etc, constantly be with that comitte of leadfrship dealing with what it takes to be captain, strategies, pressures and so.

we have no one so we have to make some...and that is the way to make some..train them properly with the great skill that resides in the elders, those who have been through the mill and knows how to..as well as the professional analysts for everything else we may need who can be called in to proved services.

that is the way i would go about it..not be worried about who is what, who is who etc. it is clear we have no great shakes a captain among all the players we have available. if we are to succeed we have to find ways to compensate, find ways to prepare leaders and in the meantime have the leader on the field supported by a cast off the field that ensures we get the job done

[mapoui]

HOW DO WE SEPERATE RACE FROM WESTINDIAN LIFE IN PRACTICE, IN ROUTINE EFFECT AND IN CONVERSATION WRITTEN AND VERBAL....AFTER A CENTURIES OLD CONSISTENT RACIST SOCIAL EXPERIENCE, WHEN THAT RACIST INFRASTRUCTURE IS STILL IN PLACE --- THE MAN EXPLOITING ALL WITH WHITES ON TOP, NEAR WHITES AND RICH INDIANS AND BLACS NEXT IN LINE... THE MAJORITY POOR BLACS ON THE BOTTOM ALONG WITH POOR INDIANS, WHO DO NOT SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THEIR POVERTY AND THAT OF THE EXPLOITATION AND POVERTY OF BLAC AFRICANS...?

and that is far from a complet discription of the divisions that permit the wholsale exploitation of the westindies, which routine reality is emblazoned with the reality of race, racism, ethnocentricity and a rapacious exploitative social structure.

the only way to end the conversation on race is to end the reality that is based on race and racism. the only way any one of us may wake up on any day and not hear the word race and its extentions used in all their wearying forms is to achieve an end to the racist and overall exploitation of human society, make a democracy that is reponsive to all, end all forms of accumulation by turning social production to meet the needs of all the people alive in their various national situations.

once society gurantees the survila of all, which is easily possible at current technological levels we would have no more reason for racism and it will die away..and we can all talk the relevant talk of the new times and not be wearied by race talk.

so to end race talk we have to talk it right out of existence, by effecting the solutions that talk clarifies, leads to, develops.

that why I talk race... because it cannot be avoided, is an integral part of our exploitative reality that must be expungd. you cannot know what to expunge unless you describe it, which is to talk about its truth. if you dont know what to cut away you may cut the good with the bad. we dont want to do that so we must talk about the truth..talk truth!
the reality is race period

[Googley]

1. Sobers was forgiven but not Kanhai, for going to SA.

Googley, are you refering to the rest of the world team? if so, didn't Lloyd, Murray and Gibbs went as well? Were they treated differently than Kahnai as well? Hope its not too much trouble them days I was still wearing napkins

Bally, no...RBK played cricket in Rhodesia and got banned by the great Bannam!!! Sobers on the other hand played cricket in SA and said "oh I am sorry" and was allowed to play...

and dese fukers got the nerve to mention race!!! Fukking racists skunts!!! their true colors showing like de panty dem wearing!!

[BallOil]

1. Sobers was forgiven but not Kanhai, for going to SA.

Googley, are you refering to the rest of the world team? if so, didn't Lloyd, Murray and Gibbs went as well? Were they treated differently than Kahnai as well? Hope its not too much trouble them days I was still wearing napkins

Bally, no...RBK played cricket in Rhodesia and got banned by the great Bannam!!! Sobers on the other hand played cricket in SA and said "oh I am sorry" and was allowed to play...

and dese fukers got the nerve to mention race!!! Fukking racists skunts!!! their true colors showing like de panty dem wearing!!

Googley, thanks for the info... I did a lil googling and found this by Prof. Chrissy Cummings... She made it sounds like Kanhai was rewarded the WI captaincy for his trip to Rhodesia. is there any truth to this and under what circumstances Kanhai became cappo?

Why the packers bwoys didn't get same punishment for abandoning the WI for money? LLoyd, Gibbs, Holding, Viv, et al..

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Sobers and Kanhai went to Rhodesia and we took them back (indeed Kanhai became captain); Ezra Moseley went to South Africa as an honorary white - we took him back. Clive Lloyd and all the Packer players went to Australia in 1978/79 and the Board was forced to play a second XI. The Packer players had the support of the majority of the Caribbean people since they were going to earn decent salaries, which were not available at home.

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[mapoui]

Bally, no...RBK played cricket in Rhodesia and got banned by the great Bannam!!! Sobers on the other hand played cricket in SA and said "oh I am sorry" and was allowed to play...

and dese fukers got the nerve to mention race!!! Fukking racists skunts!!! their true colors showing like de panty dem wearing!!]

the internal walls of this posters brains collapse..have collapsed... and it all runs together in there.

the westindian people of the time could not..would not lose..Kanhai, Sobers etc. those were not things that could happen..that anyone wanted to happen.

the parties all around the principles from their various sides knew what was at stake and all were prepared for the saving compromises when they came.

I dont know what Burnham did on his own but the westindian people did not walk away from Kanhai, did not turn their backs on him..even if he was wrong!

that posters brains are sprained and swoolen up frm inside!