Why Windians accepted the Panamanian but not the Aussie?

[mapoui]

Bally, at least we are all on the same page that Kanhai was not rewarded with the captaincy. Like you said, he was not even the first choice!

AGAIN SO FREAKIN WHAT?

in the scheme of things all that went down is possible. I accept however it went down. it was made by people who were preprared by westindian experience for all that happnened...to think like they thought and do think. I am westindian! I understand them!

but it still is as if Kanhai is some kind of god or something and accorded such status he must be considered in some fashion that makes him special, and above special, for he was given special treatment relative to the westindies

in the end Kanhai is a normal human being and I know how kanhai thinks...just like it is clear how Sobers does. and given their regional angles neither is 'better' than the other!

in the consideration as cappo kanhai was not kept out because he went to southern africa! that is final. despite his trangression he was given the highest office in the game in the westindies

and I want to make this point clear! Googley behaves as if blac people dastardly, sinful, for not considering Kanhai automatically, as it seems he wasnt for the cappo back then. that is how he behaves all the time relative to blac people...googley, redbaron, terminator, cacabelly and a whole lot of people of indian descent here...as if Indian people are saints and above being thought of and acted towards any other way by blac people.

that is not how I see Indian people..or any people at all!

an by now allyuh know how I see everybody including myself

but that is the way Indians behave period, even worse when it comes to considering blac people when they have the upper hand.

that is how all peoples look after themselves and their own. and they all behave far far worse at it than blac people for they give others no chance at all.

sinful my A! not first consideration my A! I have nothing against those blac people involved in the consideration of Kanhai for the captaincy. and the world involved is operative for they did not chose or not choose kanhai really

THE MAN IN CHARGE AND THE ONE ASKING THE QUESTIONS WITH A VIEW TO MAKING THE DECISION WAS C A MERRY WHO WAS NOT A BLAC MAN. THERE WERE NO BLAC PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF WESTINDIES CRICKET AT THE TIME. STOLLMEYER, GOMEZ, MERRY, THE GRANTS, SHORT, RAE...ALL WERE ABSOLUTELY WHITE WESTINDIANS WHO HAD NO CONCERN FOR THE LITTLE BLACK BLOOD THAT MAY HAVE COURSED THROUGH THEIR VEINS

[BallOil]

will take a pic of the page where Sobers mentioned the captaincy issues why he thinks Kanhai was his third option. It wasn't for Kanhai's leadership skills but at the end of Kanhai's stint he turn around the team...

[mapoui]

kanhai must have been westindies third best cappo..at the very least fourth!

who was sobers first option is LLoyd was second and Kanhai third?

[BallOil]

kanhai must have been westindies third best cappo..at the very least fourth!

who was sobers first option is LLoyd was second and Kanhai third?

might be so that Kanhai was one of the top cappo...but Sobers first choice was his cousin Holdford, Second Lloyd who couldn't mek the team and Kanhai third for his services for WI not his leadership. Will tek a pic of that page..just busy spootin this weekend

[mapoui]

kanhai must have been westindies third best cappo..at the very least fourth!

who was sobers first option is LLoyd was second and Kanhai third?

might be so that Kanhai was one of the top cappo...but Sobers first choice was his cousin Holdford, Second Lloyd who couldn't mek the team and Kanhai third for his services for WI not his leadership. Will tek a pic of that page..just busy spootin this weekend

I am not soorpised about that! that was Sobers attitude to things. he is after all Bajan, the westindian national entity that is least of all like the rest of the westindies.

but there are 3 facts you and yuh padnah googley refuse to see properly:

first that it was not Sobers who did the deciding on who was to be captain. all he had in that was his opinion which I supposes was duly considered to the point where his third choice was made first, and his first last.

secondly not only Sobers saw Holford as first! I would wager that a good many westindians saw Holford as first including west-Indians.... for Holford is A UNIVERSITY GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!, AND THEN! THAT COUNTS FOR ALMOST ALL IN THE REGION...REGARDLESS OF ETHNICITY! A UNIVERSITY DEGREE TRUMPS ALMOST ALL ELSE!

EDUCATION AND SOCIAL CLASS ALONG WITH ABILITY IS WHAT RUNS THE WESTINDIES! LOOK AT DERYCK MURRAY...THE QUINTESSENTIAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT I SPEAK!

LOOK AT HOW CLOSE MIDDLE CLASS STATUS AND HIGH SCHOOL BWOY BROUGHT GANGA TO THE WESTINDIES CAPTAINCY. GANGA WAS ACTUALLY WESTINDIES V-CAP AND CAPTAINED WESTINDIES WHEN SARWAN WENT DOWN

AND I AM SURE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 1 OCCASSION WHEN HOLFORD DID CAPTAIN THE WESTINDIES LIKE CAREW DID AGAINST INDIA IN 1971 IN SOBERS ABSENCE DUE TO ILLNESS

third: despite all that, plus Kanhais 'trip', he was still made westindies cappo!

it appears to me that allyuh counting from the wrong starting point!

and I must point out to allyuh again ..it is in allyuh mind that Kanhai is a saint, and that he must be considered first and not third or last.

nutten could be further from the truth. all among the people involved in that selection knew the players intimately and for sure held no illusions about each and everyone of them. Kanhai was no god to any of them as he seems to be to those posting here.

in that case, where no illusions were involved....calculating for honest diferences of opinion, admitting that those who ran westindies cricket..westindian whites..had given no indication contrary to the clear fact, that they saw westindies cricket as their baby, and even if they did not play and dominate on the field as they once did, they still built the house, was repsonsible for it, and it was a responsibility they took quite seriously indeed....I dont see anything wrong in how it went down!

that then is the hard-headed, business-like sentiment that in all probability led to the selection of Kanhai, over lloyd, and particularly Holdford!

I think allyuh too hepped-up on ethnicity to see actual, factual westindies histree experience for what it has been, and what it has produced up to now.

[Googley]

I have nothing against those blac people involved in the consideration of Kanhai for the captaincy.

THE MAN IN CHARGE AND THE ONE ASKING THE QUESTIONS WITH A VIEW TO MAKING THE DECISION WAS C A MERRY WHO WAS NOT A BLAC MAN. THERE WERE NO BLAC PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF WESTINDIES CRICKET AT THE TIME. STOLLMEYER, GOMEZ, MERRY, THE GRANTS, SHORT, RAE...ALL WERE ABSOLUTELY WHITE WESTINDIANS WHO HAD NO CONCERN FOR THE LITTLE BLACK BLOOD THAT MAY HAVE COURSED THROUGH THEIR VEINS

do i need to say anything?

this poster beginning to sound like slick Willy when he said "its depends on what your definition of "is" is"

[mapoui]

I have nothing against those blac people involved in the consideration of Kanhai for the captaincy.

retrospectively where is the crime in what was done?

where is anything at all that is unusual relevant to westindian history and experience!?

most impoertantly where s the sin?

all allyuh have to do is to say where the blac people who were involved were wrong, deliberate and purposefully wriong and badminded, with the inteht to harm the interst of any anyone involved?

all I see here is an expectation on the poart of Indians that blac people will run to take care of Indian interest first before their onw and f they do not do that they are sinful abd hateful of Indians!

that is the same expectation white people have of blac people. and in it all.... the fact that black people must think of themselves, look after themselves first, must act according to what they see as their best interest first is of bno consideration at all.

in fact that like all other people in the world, our minds must be oriented subjectively, comprehensively so... period, so that all we think about are us and our interest individual and collective..that we relate to the world on that basis and make our compromises on tha basis, so that things can go on on...like every other ethnic group of the human species does.

that is why: "I have nothing against those blac people involved in the consideration of Kanhai for the captaincy."

who doh like it..what I say here... cyan kmba... for there is nutten at all wrong with it..everything right about it!

and until blac people come once again to think like this, into that which is our sovereign right, having been born into the world like all other forms, which must exist fully into the conscious orientation they have been given, their subjectivity so to speak...that they have developed by existential experience...we will be the fools we are in the world, for we have lost our subjectivity, our right and absolutely essential need to think in comprehensively in our own best ineterest, that others expect us not to so think and help keep us from so thinking, by behaving as they do when we do think subjectively as if we have commited a sin, are up to no good.

our natural consciousness was compromised by being defeated, enslaved and denatured! it is now time we reconstructred ourselves into what nature demands of its life forms in order to survive...thinking subjectively.

the process by which Kanhaa was selected for the captaincy was fine, normal ,relative to the westindies. there was and is absolutely nuten wrogn with it. Sobers did nutten wrong by being Sobers. Thats absolutely fine with me..absolutely Sobers, that which made him into the magnficient player anxd person he was/is. I accept Sobers fully as westindian, as human, as a brother! I accept kanhai as well.

I dont accept the stupidity I see here however..the racism and silly games! I know allyuh cyan do better than, that after all this is 2010.

and wat! did westindies decline since sobers and kanhai..is that why this particular poster so foolish!