In a matter of hours SA will be test #1

[mapoui]

I dont see that Cook worked out the saffies...while they certainly worked him out!
Bully!

[mapoui]

You did not read carefully - I said the SA pace attack AS A UNIT. Roach is world class. Only time will tell whether he moves into the great category.

yes I understood. I said nutten' to the contray of dat.

Roach and Rampaul are a unit too and when they are on they are likely to give any team early fits.

but they have not been on all year due to Rampauls unfitness. but even without help at the other end Roach is usually a handful.

and when he gets help..look out.

the building of help for Roach/Rampaul is key. which is why I simply do not understand why Johnson was not played against the Kiwi.

if Idiot best took Kiwi wickets Johnson would have routed them. even now he is a supremely better bowler than Best

dats why I am scared of Gibson skunt. he selects not with the westindien best interest and futre as his goal but the maintainance of his postion playing the politics he needs to play to stay in place with skunt hunte..hence Best and not Johnson.

Gabriel is already out and did well. if Johnson came in and routed the Kiwi Sammy' place becomes untennable. we would have 4 pacers who simply could not be denied. sammys place could not be justified.

that is why i am worried about the selection as fly in ointment. de are prepared to ruin the best group of young fast bowlers we have had in ages to maintian skunt useless sammy

[mapoui]

mapoui wrote:but by his standard against minnow he shud have been capable of more when england needed more now..like Lamb used to give aginst the westindies monster attack

Folks tend to rate players by what they do against you. A commentator was recently talking about how two bowlers were asked their opinion of a batsman - one said that he was good and the other that he was rubbish. As the commentator said the probable explanation is that the batsman made runs against one bowler but not the other,



mapoui wrote:I like the kid Bairstow however. he was a pleasant sooprise even if he is english!


He was a surprise only to you!!

that has nutten to do with anything! deh cant speak what they know. what I know is how to arte things from an objective angle.

picking winners at horse racing is a good example.

if I depended on commentators and players I would lose my deposit every time. I must know even what the trainers of the hoses do not know.

and the funny thing about horse racing: the trianers when speaking of their horses coming up to a race usually speak the truth about their horse.

but if you gonna put your money down yu better know ALL THE HORSES IN A RACE AND WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN THAT RACE. IF YU DONT KNOW YOU WILL LOSE

SO YU HAVE TO KNOW THE BATSMAN, WHAT HAPPENS IN CRICKET, BOWLERS AND WHAT THEY DO, NATIONAL PERSPECTIVES ANDHOW REPS OF NATIONS DO THINGS CULTURALLY SO YU HAVE IDEA OF THE MINDSET OF THE PLAYERS AND MORE

pace by itself is not a problem for most batsmen in the world..no matter how fast. but when pace is backed up by skills like swing, normal and reverse, ability to move the ball, terrifying bounces, slower and faster balls yu have a formidable bowler.

back him up with the thorough analysis of opposing batsmen that goes on these days and you have soemtng truly effective.

that batsman must know this and develop the means to cope by doing the same thing to the bowler..as complete knowledg of the bowler that is possible by analysis and developing the means to destabilise him and beat him all over the park.

so if we take all that for granted as decisive it means that ther batsman simply cant defeat the bowler and he shud at least cope equally all thngs being equal..that is if he is good and the bowler is gfod as we know they are.

if he cant scorfe against the best bowlers,,and does all the time against leser bowlers..what then is the conclusion?

we know by that result how god he is for we know what goes on inside the game

Cook is bully!

[mapoui]

and Bairstow..fails in 2 tests against the westindies and is dropped..and he is not a sooprise scorer against trhe very Saffie attack you claim is the best in the world...a great UNIT!

interesting conception armik

[Arnik]

Roach and Rampaul are a unit too and when they are on they are likely to give any team early fits.
but they have not been on all year due to Rampauls unfitness. but even without help at the other end Roach is usually a handful.
the building of help for Roach/Rampaul is key. which is why I simply do not understand why Johnson was not played against the Kiwi.

I sometimes wonder about you - I really do.
Roach, Rampaul,Best, Sammy CANNOT compare as a unit with Steyn, Philander, Morkel.
I am not talking about early fits - I am talking about taking 20 wickets to win a test.
I am not talking about when the stars align for the WI bowlers as you seem to be.

if Idiot best took Kiwi wickets Johnson would have routed them. even now he is a supremely better bowler than Best

West Indians love to deal in hypotheticals - I have no idea what Johnson may or may not do in his cricket career. I will talk about that when it happens.

Gabriel is already out and did well. if Johnson came in and routed the Kiwi Sammy' place becomes untennable. we would have 4 pacers who simply could not be denied. sammys place could not be justified.

Gabriel did reasonably well but I need to see more of him. This is not just about beating the lowly Kiwis at home. I want a side that can beat SA, Australia, England in their backyard.

[Arnik]

let me tell you how I see it goes:
Cook scored a ton fus' time up. he is studied, worked out, plannedd for and plan effected. it works.
Cooks scoring plumments from the next innings.
he tries to work out the saffie tacics and is modeartely successful second test but is totally defeated in the third. the pitch helps a bit and dat could also have been decisive.
yu see it all comes down to tactics...what your opposition does and you ability to counter. thats it..pure and simple.
your opposition is skillful and probes you, make you work hard to survive. so the batsman who deals with it is the better one, the good one..the one who can really bat and is not a bully.

You have only stated the obvious. But your assumptions are questionable. You are trying to imply that Cook scored a century because the SA side had not worked him out. That is laughable.Of course the opposing team is going to work on your weakness.

Cook has played 11 tests against SA with an average of 40.55 which is not bad. He actually has an average of only 30.80 in 6 tests against New Zealand. Before this series the South Africans would have known all there is to know about Cook.

now I wish Bairstow came in earlier. then we wud have had a good idea of how good he is..if he had scored once again after the saffies sat and worked him out.
they were seing him for the first time and he scored against them. if he had played 2 tests and scored both times we would be sure he is indeed a classy lil playert.
think he is anyway but still need a lil bit more corroboration

You seem to be hung up on Bairstow. He does not need to come in earlier to "see how good he is". I am sure that you have no idea how he was dismissed in the second innings of this last test because I can tell you that it was somewhat disappointing.

[Arnik]

that has nutten to do with anything! deh cant speak what they know. what I know is how to arte things from an objective angle.
picking winners at horse racing is a good example.
if I depended on commentators and players I would lose my deposit every time. I must know even what the trainers of the hoses do not know.
and the funny thing about horse racing: the trianers when speaking of their horses coming up to a race usually speak the truth about their horse.
but if you gonna put your money down yu better know ALL THE HORSES IN A RACE AND WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN THAT RACE. IF YU DONT KNOW YOU WILL LOSE
SO YU HAVE TO KNOW THE BATSMAN, WHAT HAPPENS IN CRICKET, BOWLERS AND WHAT THEY DO, NATIONAL PERSPECTIVES ANDHOW REPS OF NATIONS DO THINGS CULTURALLY SO YU HAVE IDEA OF THE MINDSET OF THE PLAYERS AND MORE

Man please, how does horse racing come into this. And you miss the point about the commentator. He was talking about an actual situation, not something he made up.

pace by itself is not a problem for most batsmen in the world..no matter how fast. but when pace is backed up by skills like swing, normal and reverse, ability to move the ball, terrifying bounces, slower and faster balls yu have a formidable bowler.
back him up with the thorough analysis of opposing batsmen that goes on these days and you have soemtng truly effective.

You are stating the obvious.

that batsman must know this and develop the means to cope by doing the same thing to the bowler..as complete knowledg of the bowler that is possible by analysis and developing the means to destabilise him and beat him all over the park.
so if we take all that for granted as decisive it means that ther batsman simply cant defeat the bowler and he shud at least cope equally all thngs being equal..that is if he is good and the bowler is gfod as we know they are.
if he cant scorfe against the best bowlers,,and does all the time against leser bowlers..what then is the conclusion?
we know by that result how god he is for we know what goes on inside the game
Cook is bully!

Since you expounding on who get worked out I wonder if you could help me with this:
A WI batsman in a 5 test series in Oz averaged 32.10. His scores were:
0,4,0,17,182,39,16,0,35,28.
Based on your reasoning it look like
1. The Oz bowlers had him worked out before he landed
2. He then countered brilliantly
3. But Oz was not finished and they countered his move and checkmated him

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

[bossman19TT]

ENGLAND GET MASH UP TO RHATID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mapoui]

I sometimes wonder about you - I really do.
Roach, Rampaul,Best, Sammy CANNOT compare as a unit with Steyn, Philander, Morkel.
I am not talking about early fits - I am talking about taking 20 wickets to win a test.
I am not talking about when the stars align for the WI bowlers as you seem to be.

there are times when you are as bad as the star poster.

whwere di yu see me compare our unit to the saffies? thats not what I meant. what i did mean and said is what i said: we have the makings. we are not as bad as all that.

you are too literal and either or. man broaden yuhself and see wat ma talking about.

I am trying to establish our current level which is not bad with the pace all things being equal. and the kids to come look great

but we have to start somewhere. that is judging the youngsters and making the right selections. and thats what i am about...judging our youth.

now if you only want to consider westindies only when we are good a manterialised thats your affair.

I dont know if any of the youngsters will pan out but I am proceeding as if they will...which is what any sane person will do.

I have seen johnson and he is good man. everything is right with him..pace, movement, physical size and power.... and an attitude that looks right. he wud have run through the Kiwi at Sabina..right through them..with the little help in the wicket.

and if I say dat using Best as comparative ...havent you seen that Best has troubled no international side save the Kiwi.

that means best is no good at all which we all know. he is very fast and dats that. Johnson is right now..even without a test better than best by far. he is an attacking fast bowler..he takes wickets.

[mapoui]

Since you expounding on who get worked out I wonder if you could help me with this:
A WI batsman in a 5 test series in Oz averaged 32.10. His scores were:
0,4,0,17,182,39,16,0,35,28.

yes..dat fella had established himself long before that sequence as a bully..A TEST BULLY

that was a bad patch di'ze all