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mikesiva
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I find the Western media's coverage of Syria and Egypt in particular very dishonest....
For example, here's the constitution of Morsi in 2012, by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was much-criticised by the Western media:
http://niviensaleh.info/constitution-eg ... anslation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And here's the constitution of Sesi in 2014, by the military dictator who was put in place with American money:
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/eg ... nstitution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Western media criticised Morsi for saying that the constitution was based on sharia law. But that was the case in the constitution before Morsi came to power, and that same clause has not been changed by Sesi. And yet the Western media are silent on this issue....
Here is the provisional constitution of 2011:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_C ... on_of_2011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And this was from the 1980 amendment to the 1971 constitution:
"According to the 1980 amendment of the Constitution, Islamic law (Sharia) became the principal source of legislative rules. Such wording simply implies that any new law that is being enacted or considered for enactment should not be in contravention of any prevailing principles of Islamic law (Sharia)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_C ... on_of_1971" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you notice the article two clauses of each constitution since then, there is practically no change....
All Morsi did was put sharia in brackets next to the phrase "Islamic law", because that's what sharia is - Islamic law. The Western media completed twisted this clause to suit their purposes, and frighten the Islamophobic Western population.
For example, here's the constitution of Morsi in 2012, by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was much-criticised by the Western media:
http://niviensaleh.info/constitution-eg ... anslation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And here's the constitution of Sesi in 2014, by the military dictator who was put in place with American money:
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/eg ... nstitution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Western media criticised Morsi for saying that the constitution was based on sharia law. But that was the case in the constitution before Morsi came to power, and that same clause has not been changed by Sesi. And yet the Western media are silent on this issue....
Here is the provisional constitution of 2011:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_C ... on_of_2011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And this was from the 1980 amendment to the 1971 constitution:
"According to the 1980 amendment of the Constitution, Islamic law (Sharia) became the principal source of legislative rules. Such wording simply implies that any new law that is being enacted or considered for enactment should not be in contravention of any prevailing principles of Islamic law (Sharia)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_C ... on_of_1971" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you notice the article two clauses of each constitution since then, there is practically no change....
All Morsi did was put sharia in brackets next to the phrase "Islamic law", because that's what sharia is - Islamic law. The Western media completed twisted this clause to suit their purposes, and frighten the Islamophobic Western population.
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mapoui2
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wasn't that to justify in the western people the western right to intervene and bring down the Morsi government?The Western media completed twisted this clause to suit their purposes, and frighten the Islamophobic Western population.
I got fooled by the propaganda justifying the coup. I thought the reportage of the popular will as against Morsi was accurate. it was not.
every shred and remnant of legit I had for the western media is gone now. I do not even pay attention to internet alternatives any more. I will take events as they come and apply socialist principles of analysis.
I will go to press-tv for events and do my own analysis
that should do the trick
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mikesiva
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Ditto...mapoui2 wrote:wasn't that to justify in the western people the western right to intervene and bring down the Morsi government?The Western media completed twisted this clause to suit their purposes, and frighten the Islamophobic Western population.
I got fooled by the propaganda justifying the coup. I thought the reportage of the popular will as against Morsi was accurate. it was not.
every shred and remnant of legit I had for the western media is gone now. I do not even pay attention to internet alternatives any more. I will take events as they come and apply socialist principles of analysis.
I will go to press-tv for events and do my own analysis
that should do the trick
That's exactly what happened to me, and that's exactly what I do now too....
Then again, when do brutal, Western-backed dictators pay any attention to constitutions?
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Egy ... d_15864750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
'Since Morsi's ouster on July 3, security forces have jailed thousands of members of his Muslim Brotherhood, which has also been declared a terrorist organisation. Hundreds of Morsi supporters were killed in police crackdowns on their protests. Amid a wave of nationalist sentiment, the crackdown has extended to other critics: A number of journalists and many of the top secular activists who led the anti-Mubarak uprising and oppose the military's dominance now have been detained. In the latest sign of the air of intimidation against dissent, a court sentenced a blogger, Ahmed Anwar, to three months in prison yesterday for "insulting the police" and "misusing the Internet" over a video he posted on YouTube depicting policemen belly dancing -- mocking police for recently giving an award to a well-known belly dancer. Anwar told The Associated Press he would appeal, saying the ruling contradicts the new constitution that includes guarantees of freedom of speech, passed earlier this month in a referendum. "Everyone and the media hailed (it) as the best constitution. I was sentenced for a video," he said. The deputy Mideast-North Africa director of Amnesty International on Thursday called on Egyptian authorities to "change course and take concrete steps to show they respect human rights and rule of law," including release "prisoners of conscience". Otherwise, "Egypt is likely to find its jails packed with unlawfully detained prisoners and its morgues and hospitals with yet more victims of arbitrary and abusive force by its police," said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui.'
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mikesiva
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there's a connection here that's been missed by our media....
1) Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama bomb Libya to oblivion, helping "rebel" forces to overthrow and kill Gaddafi.
2) Cameron pats himself on the back, talking about job well done, and the Western powers leave Libya to wallow in chaos.
3) Ignored by the West now, Libya descends into civil war.
4) Jihadi groups rise to fill the void in Libya.
5) Tunisians who have friends and relatives in Libya, possibly killed by the Western bombing campaign, enrol in these anti-Western jihadi camps.
6) Tunisian gunman enrols in jihadi camp, and returns to Tunisia, with the goal of killing as many British and French tourists as he could.
Somehow, our media just don't seem to see the very clear cause-and-effect relationship between our bombing of Libya, and those unfortunate tourists who were killed in retaliation. We really need to think clearly about the end-game when we intervene in countries, and bomb them into oblivion. There is usually some payback sooner or later....
1) Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama bomb Libya to oblivion, helping "rebel" forces to overthrow and kill Gaddafi.
2) Cameron pats himself on the back, talking about job well done, and the Western powers leave Libya to wallow in chaos.
3) Ignored by the West now, Libya descends into civil war.
4) Jihadi groups rise to fill the void in Libya.
5) Tunisians who have friends and relatives in Libya, possibly killed by the Western bombing campaign, enrol in these anti-Western jihadi camps.
6) Tunisian gunman enrols in jihadi camp, and returns to Tunisia, with the goal of killing as many British and French tourists as he could.
Somehow, our media just don't seem to see the very clear cause-and-effect relationship between our bombing of Libya, and those unfortunate tourists who were killed in retaliation. We really need to think clearly about the end-game when we intervene in countries, and bomb them into oblivion. There is usually some payback sooner or later....
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mikesiva
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When I was a press officer at Theatre Royal Stratford East, I worked with a playwright who put on a play about a young British Muslim of Turkish descent who joined one of these organisations. It was semi-autobiographical, and what he told me is that he joined because he was angry about America and European countries supporting Israel in their oppression of Palestine. He further told me that this particular conflict is the biggest reason why young Muslims resort to terrorism. Young Muslims feel a certainty affinity and loyalty to fellow Muslims being oppressed, in the way that a lot of Western black people felt angry about white oppression of black people in South Africa and Rhodesia.
1) So, if you want to do something about terrorism, then the first thing to do is for the USA to cut all funding to Israel until they pull out of Palestine and allow that country to become a free and independent state.
2) The terrorists who attacked Paris were not born in Syria. Most of them were born in France and Belgium. The Islamophobia in these countries is terrible. These countries need to have a long, hard look in the mirror, and address these issues.
3) The roots of the conflict in the Middle East go back a century, to the conclusion of the First World War. American president Woodrow Wilson told the European countries to give the Arab countries their independence. Instead, David Lloyd George of Britain and Georges Clemenceau of France wanted more colonies, and they drew the Sykes-Picot line that divided the countries up according to how the European countries wanted their resources, oil, and all that. Those territories should've been divided up according to communities, i.e. the Kurds should've been given their own homeland, the Shia should've had their own separate state in what is now south and central Iraq. The Sunni should've had their own state in what is now western Iraq and eastern Syria. Damascus and the Alawites could've been merged with what is now Lebanon. Instead, the Europeans in their greed, created a historical mess which now sees the Shia and the Sunni in a struggle in various countries across the region.
4) When the British went into Iraq, they created their usual divide-and-rule practices, putting a Sunni minority in charge of oppressing a Shia majority. That practice prevailed throughout their rule of Iraq for about 40 years or so, and when they left, they put a Sunni king in charge. Eventually, a Sunni military officer overthrew the king, and the dictatorship imposed by the British continued.
5) The Americans had a chance to correct this problem when they overthrew Saddam. They should've divided Iraq into a federal system, with the Shia controlling the south and the central, the Kurds controlling the north, and the Sunni the west. Instead, they treated the Sunni as the enemy, threw all of them out of office, and put the Shia in charge. So, what happens? The Shia say, "Ah fi we time now," and start to brutally oppress the Sunni. So, what do the Sunni do? They flock to the only organisation that can offer them protection from the Shia - Islamic State.
The problem with the West is that they don't take the time out to try to understand the mess they've created in the Middle East....
1) So, if you want to do something about terrorism, then the first thing to do is for the USA to cut all funding to Israel until they pull out of Palestine and allow that country to become a free and independent state.
2) The terrorists who attacked Paris were not born in Syria. Most of them were born in France and Belgium. The Islamophobia in these countries is terrible. These countries need to have a long, hard look in the mirror, and address these issues.
3) The roots of the conflict in the Middle East go back a century, to the conclusion of the First World War. American president Woodrow Wilson told the European countries to give the Arab countries their independence. Instead, David Lloyd George of Britain and Georges Clemenceau of France wanted more colonies, and they drew the Sykes-Picot line that divided the countries up according to how the European countries wanted their resources, oil, and all that. Those territories should've been divided up according to communities, i.e. the Kurds should've been given their own homeland, the Shia should've had their own separate state in what is now south and central Iraq. The Sunni should've had their own state in what is now western Iraq and eastern Syria. Damascus and the Alawites could've been merged with what is now Lebanon. Instead, the Europeans in their greed, created a historical mess which now sees the Shia and the Sunni in a struggle in various countries across the region.
4) When the British went into Iraq, they created their usual divide-and-rule practices, putting a Sunni minority in charge of oppressing a Shia majority. That practice prevailed throughout their rule of Iraq for about 40 years or so, and when they left, they put a Sunni king in charge. Eventually, a Sunni military officer overthrew the king, and the dictatorship imposed by the British continued.
5) The Americans had a chance to correct this problem when they overthrew Saddam. They should've divided Iraq into a federal system, with the Shia controlling the south and the central, the Kurds controlling the north, and the Sunni the west. Instead, they treated the Sunni as the enemy, threw all of them out of office, and put the Shia in charge. So, what happens? The Shia say, "Ah fi we time now," and start to brutally oppress the Sunni. So, what do the Sunni do? They flock to the only organisation that can offer them protection from the Shia - Islamic State.
The problem with the West is that they don't take the time out to try to understand the mess they've created in the Middle East....
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mikesiva
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The warped logic behind bombing Syria, as pointed out by Ryan Barrell:
1) No innocent civilians will be killed as we now have bombs that ask to see people's ID before they explode.
2) We have 70,000 moderate allies on the ground, including fighters from Narnia, Gondor, Sylvania and the Republic of Gullibility.
3) All previous interventions - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan - have totally stabilised those countries, rendering them peaceful, and reducing radicalisation.
4) The way to stop the refugee crisis, caused by people fleeing bombs, is by dropping more bombs.
5) Bombing by the US, France, Russia, etc has not stopped ISIL. However, our bombing will.
6) Bombing ISIL is supported by all right-thinking people, such as President Assad.
7) In order to avoid unnecessary delays, we have already appointed Chilcot to look into why the bombing of Syria went so badly wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-barrell/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1) No innocent civilians will be killed as we now have bombs that ask to see people's ID before they explode.
2) We have 70,000 moderate allies on the ground, including fighters from Narnia, Gondor, Sylvania and the Republic of Gullibility.
3) All previous interventions - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan - have totally stabilised those countries, rendering them peaceful, and reducing radicalisation.
4) The way to stop the refugee crisis, caused by people fleeing bombs, is by dropping more bombs.
5) Bombing by the US, France, Russia, etc has not stopped ISIL. However, our bombing will.
6) Bombing ISIL is supported by all right-thinking people, such as President Assad.
7) In order to avoid unnecessary delays, we have already appointed Chilcot to look into why the bombing of Syria went so badly wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-barrell/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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mikesiva
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Unfortunately, Blairites continue to infiltrate the Labour party, and their Tory-lite behaviour manifested itself in their neo-imperial votes to bomb Islamic State. Here are the Labour MPs who voted in favour of bombing:
Adrian Bailey (West Bromwich West)
Alan Campbell (Tynemouth)
Alan Johnson (Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle)
Alison McGovern (Wirral South)
Angela Eagle (Wallasey)
Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge)
Ann Coffey (Stockport)
Anna Turley (Redcar)
Ben Bradshaw (Exeter)
Bridget Phillipson (Houghton and Sunderland South)
Caroline Flint (Don Valley)
Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
Chris Leslie (Nottingham East)
Chuka Umunna (Streatham)
Colleen Fletcher (Coventry North East)
Conor McGinn (St Helens North)
Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central)
Emma Reynolds (Wolverhampton North East)
Frank Field (Birkenhead)
Gareth Thomas (Harrow West)
Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
George Howarth (Knowsley)
Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston)
Gloria De Piero (Ashfield)
Graham Jones (Hyndburn)
Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
Heidi Alexander (Lewisham East)
Helen Jones (Warrington North)
Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
Holly Lynch (Halifax)
Ian Austin (Dudley North)
Jamie Reed (Copeland)
Jenny Chapman (Darlington)
Jim Dowd (Lewisham West and Penge)
Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse)
Joan Ryan (Enfield North)
John Spellar (Warley)
John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness)
Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
Kevan Jones (North Durham)
Kevin Barron (Rother Valley)
Liz Kendall (Leicester West)
Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside)
Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree)
Lucy Powell (Manchester Central)
Margaret Beckett (Derby South)
Margaret Hodge (Barking)
Maria Eagle (Garston and Halewood)
Mary Creagh (Wakefield)
Michael Dugher (Barnsley East)
Neil Coyle (Bermondsey and Old Southwark)
Pat McFadden (Wolverhampton South East)
Peter Kyle (Hove)
Phil Wilson (Sedgefield)
Ruth Smeeth (Stoke-on-Trent North)
Simon Danczuk (Rochdale)
Siobhain McDonagh (Mitcham and Morden)
Stella Creasy (Walthamstow)
Stephen Doughty (Cardiff South and Penarth)
Susan Elan Jones (Clwyd South)
Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland)
Tom Watson (West Bromwich East)
Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
Vernon Coaker (Gedling)
Wayne David (Caerphilly)
Yvette Cooper (Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
And here are those who voted against:
Alan Whitehead (Southampton, Test)
Albert Owen (Ynys Mon)
Alex Cunningham (Stockton North)
Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish)
Andrew Smith (Oxford East)
Andy Burnham (Leigh)
Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough)
Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith)
Angela Rayner (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South)
Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield)
Bill Esterson (Sefton Central)
Carolyn Harris (Swansea East)
Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood)
Catherine McKinnell (Newcastle upon Tyne North)
Catherine West (Hornsey and Wood Green)
Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central)
Chris Evans (Islwyn)
Christian Matheson (City of Chester)
Christina Rees (Neath)
Clive Betts (Sheffield South East)
Clive Efford (Eltham)
Clive Lewis (Norwich South)
Daniel Zeichner (Cambridge)
David Anderson (Blaydon)
David Crausby (Bolton North East)
David Hanson (Delyn)
David Lammy (Tottenham)
David Winnick (Walsall North)
Dawn Butler (Brent Central)
Debbie Abrahams (Oldham East and Saddleworth)
Dennis Skinner (Bolsover)
Derek Twigg (Halton)
Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North)
Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington)
Edward Miliband (Doncaster North)
Emily Thornberry (Islington South and Finsbury)
Emma Lewell-Buck (South Shields)
Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
Gavin Shuker (Luton South)
Geraint Davies (Swansea West)
Gerald Jones (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)
Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
Graham Allen (Nottingham North)
Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton)
Grahame Morris (Easington)
Harry Harpham (Sheffield, Brightside and Hillsborough)
Helen Hayes (Dulwich and West Norwood)
Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)
Iain Wright (Hartlepool)
Ian C. Lucas (Wrexham)
Ian Lavery (Wansbeck)
Ian Mearns (Gateshead)
Ian Murray (Edinburgh South)
Imran Hussain (Bradford East)
Ivan Lewis (Bury South)
Jack Dromey (Birmingham, Erdington)
Jeff Smith (Manchester, Withington)
Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North)
Jess Phillips (Birmingham, Yardley)
Jessica Morden (Newport East)
Jim Cunningham (Coventry South)
Jo Stevens (Cardiff Central)
John Cryer (Leyton and Wanstead)
John Healey (Wentworth and Dearne)
John Mann (Bassetlaw)
John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington)
Jon Cruddas (Dagenham and Rainham)
Jon Trickett (Hemsworth)
Jonathan Ashworth (Leicester South)
Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde)
Judith Cummins (Bradford South)
Julie Cooper (Burnley)
Julie Elliott (Sunderland Central)
Justin Madders (Ellesmere Port and Neston)
Karen Buck (Westminster North)
Karin Smyth (Bristol South)
Karl Turner (Kingston upon Hull East)
Kate Green (Stretford and Urmston)
Kate Hoey (Vauxhall)
Kate Hollern (Blackburn)
Kate Osamor (Edmonton)
Keir Starmer (Holborn and St Pancras)
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North)
Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East)
Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West)
Liam Byrne (Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South)
Lisa Nandy (Wigan)
Liz McInnes (Heywood and Middleton)
Louise Haigh (Sheffield, Heeley)
Lyn Brown (West Ham)
Madeleine Moon (Bridgend)
Margaret Greenwood (Wirral West)
Marie Rimmer (St Helens South and Whiston)
Mark Hendrick (Preston)
Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside)
Mary Glindon (North Tyneside)
Matthew Pennycook (Greenwich and Woolwich)
Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch)
Melanie Onn (Great Grimsby)
Mike Kane (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
Naz Shah (Bradford West)
Nia Griffith (Llanelli)
Nic Dakin (Scunthorpe)
Nicholas Brown (Newcastle upon Tyne East)
Nick Smith (Blaenau Gwent)
Nick Thomas-Symonds (Torfaen)
Owen Smith (Pontypridd)
Pat Glass (North West Durham)
Paul Blomfield (Sheffield Central)
Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme)
Paul Flynn (Newport West)
Paula Sherriff (Dewsbury)
Peter Dowd (Bootle)
Rachael Maskell (York Central)
Rachel Reeves (Leeds West)
Rebecca Long-Bailey (Salford and Eccles)
Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield)
Richard Burgon (Leeds East)
Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South)
Roberta Blackman-Woods (City of Durham)
Roger Godsiff (Birmingham, Hall Green)
Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley)
Rupa Huq (Ealing Central and Acton)
Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow)
Ruth Cadbury (Brentford and Isleworth)
Sadiq Khan (Tooting)
Sarah Champion (Rotherham)
Seema Malhotra (Feltham and Heston)
Shabana Mahmood (Birmingham, Ladywood)
Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland West)
Sir Alan Meale (Mansfield)
Sir Gerald Kaufman (Manchester, Gorton)
Stephen Hepburn (Jarrow)
Stephen Kinnock (Aberavon)
Stephen Pound (Ealing North)
Stephen Timms (East Ham)
Stephen Twigg (Liverpool, West Derby)
Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak)
Steve Rotheram (Liverpool, Walton)
Sue Hayman (Workington)
Teresa Pearce (Erith and Thamesmead)
Toby Perkins (Chesterfield)
Tulip Siddiq (Hampstead and Kilburn)
Valerie Vaz (Walsall South)
Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford)
Wes Streeting (Ilford North)
Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East)
Yvonne Fovargue (Makerfield)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34987921" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's important to know who the imperialists are....
Adrian Bailey (West Bromwich West)
Alan Campbell (Tynemouth)
Alan Johnson (Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle)
Alison McGovern (Wirral South)
Angela Eagle (Wallasey)
Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge)
Ann Coffey (Stockport)
Anna Turley (Redcar)
Ben Bradshaw (Exeter)
Bridget Phillipson (Houghton and Sunderland South)
Caroline Flint (Don Valley)
Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
Chris Leslie (Nottingham East)
Chuka Umunna (Streatham)
Colleen Fletcher (Coventry North East)
Conor McGinn (St Helens North)
Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central)
Emma Reynolds (Wolverhampton North East)
Frank Field (Birkenhead)
Gareth Thomas (Harrow West)
Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
George Howarth (Knowsley)
Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston)
Gloria De Piero (Ashfield)
Graham Jones (Hyndburn)
Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
Heidi Alexander (Lewisham East)
Helen Jones (Warrington North)
Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
Holly Lynch (Halifax)
Ian Austin (Dudley North)
Jamie Reed (Copeland)
Jenny Chapman (Darlington)
Jim Dowd (Lewisham West and Penge)
Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse)
Joan Ryan (Enfield North)
John Spellar (Warley)
John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness)
Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
Kevan Jones (North Durham)
Kevin Barron (Rother Valley)
Liz Kendall (Leicester West)
Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside)
Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree)
Lucy Powell (Manchester Central)
Margaret Beckett (Derby South)
Margaret Hodge (Barking)
Maria Eagle (Garston and Halewood)
Mary Creagh (Wakefield)
Michael Dugher (Barnsley East)
Neil Coyle (Bermondsey and Old Southwark)
Pat McFadden (Wolverhampton South East)
Peter Kyle (Hove)
Phil Wilson (Sedgefield)
Ruth Smeeth (Stoke-on-Trent North)
Simon Danczuk (Rochdale)
Siobhain McDonagh (Mitcham and Morden)
Stella Creasy (Walthamstow)
Stephen Doughty (Cardiff South and Penarth)
Susan Elan Jones (Clwyd South)
Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland)
Tom Watson (West Bromwich East)
Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
Vernon Coaker (Gedling)
Wayne David (Caerphilly)
Yvette Cooper (Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
And here are those who voted against:
Alan Whitehead (Southampton, Test)
Albert Owen (Ynys Mon)
Alex Cunningham (Stockton North)
Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish)
Andrew Smith (Oxford East)
Andy Burnham (Leigh)
Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough)
Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith)
Angela Rayner (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South)
Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield)
Bill Esterson (Sefton Central)
Carolyn Harris (Swansea East)
Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood)
Catherine McKinnell (Newcastle upon Tyne North)
Catherine West (Hornsey and Wood Green)
Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central)
Chris Evans (Islwyn)
Christian Matheson (City of Chester)
Christina Rees (Neath)
Clive Betts (Sheffield South East)
Clive Efford (Eltham)
Clive Lewis (Norwich South)
Daniel Zeichner (Cambridge)
David Anderson (Blaydon)
David Crausby (Bolton North East)
David Hanson (Delyn)
David Lammy (Tottenham)
David Winnick (Walsall North)
Dawn Butler (Brent Central)
Debbie Abrahams (Oldham East and Saddleworth)
Dennis Skinner (Bolsover)
Derek Twigg (Halton)
Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North)
Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington)
Edward Miliband (Doncaster North)
Emily Thornberry (Islington South and Finsbury)
Emma Lewell-Buck (South Shields)
Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
Gavin Shuker (Luton South)
Geraint Davies (Swansea West)
Gerald Jones (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)
Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
Graham Allen (Nottingham North)
Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton)
Grahame Morris (Easington)
Harry Harpham (Sheffield, Brightside and Hillsborough)
Helen Hayes (Dulwich and West Norwood)
Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)
Iain Wright (Hartlepool)
Ian C. Lucas (Wrexham)
Ian Lavery (Wansbeck)
Ian Mearns (Gateshead)
Ian Murray (Edinburgh South)
Imran Hussain (Bradford East)
Ivan Lewis (Bury South)
Jack Dromey (Birmingham, Erdington)
Jeff Smith (Manchester, Withington)
Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North)
Jess Phillips (Birmingham, Yardley)
Jessica Morden (Newport East)
Jim Cunningham (Coventry South)
Jo Stevens (Cardiff Central)
John Cryer (Leyton and Wanstead)
John Healey (Wentworth and Dearne)
John Mann (Bassetlaw)
John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington)
Jon Cruddas (Dagenham and Rainham)
Jon Trickett (Hemsworth)
Jonathan Ashworth (Leicester South)
Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde)
Judith Cummins (Bradford South)
Julie Cooper (Burnley)
Julie Elliott (Sunderland Central)
Justin Madders (Ellesmere Port and Neston)
Karen Buck (Westminster North)
Karin Smyth (Bristol South)
Karl Turner (Kingston upon Hull East)
Kate Green (Stretford and Urmston)
Kate Hoey (Vauxhall)
Kate Hollern (Blackburn)
Kate Osamor (Edmonton)
Keir Starmer (Holborn and St Pancras)
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North)
Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East)
Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West)
Liam Byrne (Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South)
Lisa Nandy (Wigan)
Liz McInnes (Heywood and Middleton)
Louise Haigh (Sheffield, Heeley)
Lyn Brown (West Ham)
Madeleine Moon (Bridgend)
Margaret Greenwood (Wirral West)
Marie Rimmer (St Helens South and Whiston)
Mark Hendrick (Preston)
Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside)
Mary Glindon (North Tyneside)
Matthew Pennycook (Greenwich and Woolwich)
Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch)
Melanie Onn (Great Grimsby)
Mike Kane (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
Naz Shah (Bradford West)
Nia Griffith (Llanelli)
Nic Dakin (Scunthorpe)
Nicholas Brown (Newcastle upon Tyne East)
Nick Smith (Blaenau Gwent)
Nick Thomas-Symonds (Torfaen)
Owen Smith (Pontypridd)
Pat Glass (North West Durham)
Paul Blomfield (Sheffield Central)
Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme)
Paul Flynn (Newport West)
Paula Sherriff (Dewsbury)
Peter Dowd (Bootle)
Rachael Maskell (York Central)
Rachel Reeves (Leeds West)
Rebecca Long-Bailey (Salford and Eccles)
Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield)
Richard Burgon (Leeds East)
Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South)
Roberta Blackman-Woods (City of Durham)
Roger Godsiff (Birmingham, Hall Green)
Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley)
Rupa Huq (Ealing Central and Acton)
Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow)
Ruth Cadbury (Brentford and Isleworth)
Sadiq Khan (Tooting)
Sarah Champion (Rotherham)
Seema Malhotra (Feltham and Heston)
Shabana Mahmood (Birmingham, Ladywood)
Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland West)
Sir Alan Meale (Mansfield)
Sir Gerald Kaufman (Manchester, Gorton)
Stephen Hepburn (Jarrow)
Stephen Kinnock (Aberavon)
Stephen Pound (Ealing North)
Stephen Timms (East Ham)
Stephen Twigg (Liverpool, West Derby)
Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak)
Steve Rotheram (Liverpool, Walton)
Sue Hayman (Workington)
Teresa Pearce (Erith and Thamesmead)
Toby Perkins (Chesterfield)
Tulip Siddiq (Hampstead and Kilburn)
Valerie Vaz (Walsall South)
Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford)
Wes Streeting (Ilford North)
Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East)
Yvonne Fovargue (Makerfield)
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It's important to know who the imperialists are....
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While the Western media harp on about Russians bombing and killing civilians, in this report, they ignore this sentence in the same report:
file:///C:/Users/ms5g14/Downloads/MDE2431132015ENGLISH%20(1).PDF
" A US-led coalition is targeting the armed group calling itself Islamic State (IS) in Syria and Amnesty International has been researching and documenting its concerns relating to civilian casualties caused by its air strikes."
And in another report a year ago:
"In September, a US-led international coalition began air strikes against IS and other armed groups in northern Syria. According to Amnesty International Report 2014/15 the UN Security Council, the air strikes killed some 50 civilians."
file:///C:/Users/ms5g14/Downloads/POL1000012015ENGLISH.PDF
if it was 50 then, imagine what that number is now....
file:///C:/Users/ms5g14/Downloads/MDE2431132015ENGLISH%20(1).PDF
" A US-led coalition is targeting the armed group calling itself Islamic State (IS) in Syria and Amnesty International has been researching and documenting its concerns relating to civilian casualties caused by its air strikes."
And in another report a year ago:
"In September, a US-led international coalition began air strikes against IS and other armed groups in northern Syria. According to Amnesty International Report 2014/15 the UN Security Council, the air strikes killed some 50 civilians."
file:///C:/Users/ms5g14/Downloads/POL1000012015ENGLISH.PDF
if it was 50 then, imagine what that number is now....
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SUMMARY FINDINGS ON COALITION AIRSTRIKES:
AUGUST 8TH 2014 TO DECEMBER 31ST 2015
"To December 31st 2015, an overall total of between 1,778 and 2,332 civilian non-combatant fatalities had been alleged from 295 separate reported incidents, in both Iraq and Syria."
http://airwars.org/civcas-2015/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://airwars.org/civilian-casualty-claims/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
AUGUST 8TH 2014 TO DECEMBER 31ST 2015
"To December 31st 2015, an overall total of between 1,778 and 2,332 civilian non-combatant fatalities had been alleged from 295 separate reported incidents, in both Iraq and Syria."
http://airwars.org/civcas-2015/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://airwars.org/civilian-casualty-claims/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;