what happened when WI have a tour and IPL games are going on? which team you think they will play for?
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BallOil
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Tell me who wouldn't want their cake and eat it too?Googley wrote:Bally, dem chaps want their cake and eat it too!
what happened when WI have a tour and IPL games are going on? which team you think they will play for?
See, them bwoys have a niche and they are using it to maximize profits. 
Having options is a global recession is a good thing. at the end of the day, what are we working for pride or money?
How much money the retired cricketers are getting from the board?
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Googley
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I hear what you are saying, Bally. If it was me, i would probably do the same thing as well and fake an injury like Bravo did last year. Remember, he said he was injured and didn't tour with the WI but went to play with IPL? They should look out for themselves. At the end of the day, they are the ones who have to buy food for the family.
They are gambling that the WICB will still pick them because they think they have the talents that are not available elsewhere in the WI! That is a calculated risk (in their minds) they are willing to take. Will the risks work in their favor?
Remember, with every action comes a reaction or result. From the WICB perspective, the WICB is offering them employment for a year. which means, when WI cricket is being played they will be reguired to be there to respresent the region. The retainer being offered is essentially a contract saying yes, they will be there. Now, why would the WICB want to pick someone who is saying by their actions "well, if I am not doing anything else (i.e. IPL) I will be there, however if something else comes up, I might not???"
The WICB is better off grooming other dedicated talents!
They are gambling that the WICB will still pick them because they think they have the talents that are not available elsewhere in the WI! That is a calculated risk (in their minds) they are willing to take. Will the risks work in their favor?
Remember, with every action comes a reaction or result. From the WICB perspective, the WICB is offering them employment for a year. which means, when WI cricket is being played they will be reguired to be there to respresent the region. The retainer being offered is essentially a contract saying yes, they will be there. Now, why would the WICB want to pick someone who is saying by their actions "well, if I am not doing anything else (i.e. IPL) I will be there, however if something else comes up, I might not???"
The WICB is better off grooming other dedicated talents!
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BallOil
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Googley, its just the nature of the bizniz and changing times... Adapt or starve (settle for WICB pennies).. 
Why do you think the groomed players wouldn't do the same?
At the end of the day its a money issue...will the highest bidder please stand up?
Why do you think the groomed players wouldn't do the same?
At the end of the day its a money issue...will the highest bidder please stand up?
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Googley
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I agree with you. thats why i say if i were in their shoes, I would have done the same thing.BallOil wrote:Googley, its just the nature of the bizniz and changing times... Adapt or starve (settle for WICB pennies)..
Why do you think the groomed players wouldn't do the same?
At the end of the day its a money issue...will the highest bidder please stand up?
But expect employers to wise up too!
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Snoop
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I've always said guys - IPL and T20 will be the death of Test cricket.
In this new T20 era why play an entire year of Test cricket, and a bunch meaningless ODI series under central contract for $80K when you can play only 2 months of IPL and CL T20 for $500K plus?
Mark my words, Bravo and Pollard are only the first of what will sure to be a growing list of players, from all countries, who will say no to central contracts and yes to 2 months of T20.
The WICB, and all the other boards, should immediately look to include a clause, provision or rule, that says if a player is offered a central contract and refuses he becomes ineligible for selection for all formats and no NOC shall be issued for IPL.
You'll see how quick Bravo, Pollard and Gayle will committed to West Indies.
In this new T20 era why play an entire year of Test cricket, and a bunch meaningless ODI series under central contract for $80K when you can play only 2 months of IPL and CL T20 for $500K plus?
Mark my words, Bravo and Pollard are only the first of what will sure to be a growing list of players, from all countries, who will say no to central contracts and yes to 2 months of T20.
The WICB, and all the other boards, should immediately look to include a clause, provision or rule, that says if a player is offered a central contract and refuses he becomes ineligible for selection for all formats and no NOC shall be issued for IPL.
You'll see how quick Bravo, Pollard and Gayle will committed to West Indies.
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BallOil
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NOT these...them always on the back footGoogley wrote:I agree with you. thats why i say if i were in their shoes, I would have done the same thing.BallOil wrote:Googley, its just the nature of the bizniz and changing times... Adapt or starve (settle for WICB pennies)..
Why do you think the groomed players wouldn't do the same?
At the end of the day its a money issue...will the highest bidder please stand up?
But expect employers to wise up too!
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BallOil
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That is against free trade...Snoop wrote:The WICB, and all the other boards, should immediately look to include a clause, provision or rule, that says if a player is offered a central contract and refuses he becomes ineligible for selection for all formats and no NOC shall be issued for IPL.
You'll see how quick Bravo, Pollard and Gayle will committed to West Indies.
Giving the boards authority over the players is putting powers in the wrong hands. Wanna move to Cuba? Why would WICB have a say in my career if I refused their contract?What about the Big bash, English T20, SA T20, WI T20?
What they need is to have a window where these big money games could be played without conflict with international duties.
These are good conflicts to have..it brings out the best of everyone
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Snoop
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Free trade meh rass. 
You can't have your cake and it it too. The whole point of the central contracts and NOC's were to prevent the very kind of thing Bravo and Pollard are doing.
What's the point or rather incentive in Cricket Australia, ECB, PCB, SC, WICB etc. developing, nurturing, and investing in young talent in their respective countries only for the player to one day say thank you now fcuk off cause I'm a free agent and want to make money for teams that didn't do didly squat for my development as a player?
Even if IPL, CL, Big Bash were scheduled to not conflict with international duties the Bravos and Pollards would still chose free agency so that's not really a solution.
I'm telling you guys - this is a dangerous precedent set by those two Trinis. The ICC and all the other boards better start figuring out how they can pull this back for the good of the game - especially for the future of Test cricket.
You can't have your cake and it it too. The whole point of the central contracts and NOC's were to prevent the very kind of thing Bravo and Pollard are doing.
What's the point or rather incentive in Cricket Australia, ECB, PCB, SC, WICB etc. developing, nurturing, and investing in young talent in their respective countries only for the player to one day say thank you now fcuk off cause I'm a free agent and want to make money for teams that didn't do didly squat for my development as a player?
Even if IPL, CL, Big Bash were scheduled to not conflict with international duties the Bravos and Pollards would still chose free agency so that's not really a solution.
I'm telling you guys - this is a dangerous precedent set by those two Trinis. The ICC and all the other boards better start figuring out how they can pull this back for the good of the game - especially for the future of Test cricket.
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BallOil
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hear me out here...I didn't think this one through so ah just throwing it out as we go...Snoop wrote:What's the point or rather incentive in Cricket Australia, ECB, PCB, SC, WICB etc. developing, nurturing, and investing in young talent in their respective countries only for the player to one day say thank you now fcuk off cause I'm a free agent and want to make money for teams that didn't do didly squat for my development as a player?
so you want your parents to make all the decisions for your whole life? After all they are the ones that develop you from day one, nurturing you and send you to school, etc. are you parents expecting you to live home forever, after 18 years or hope and praying you go along you own way after college (American way)?
so you graduate from college...who makes the decision with all the job offers that comes your way, you, your parents, or the college?
is there a contract for players to stay with the board that trained them for a certain time?
What about all the those college players that turn pro?
let me know if I'm off base with these questions.....thx