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mikesiva wrote: It looks like you don't understand the concept of a 'failure'....

Sarwan hit 41, which, as WestDem points out, was the second highest score in the innings. So long as he keeps finding himself among the top three scorers in the county's batting, then he's fulfilling his contract. In case you hadn't noticed, Galmorgan were 25-5 at stumps. with Antigua's Robbie Joseph taking 2-15.

Oh so now it's not about getting 50s and 100s and it's about who top scored? ok then lets look at some of Kraigg's last few games then!!...

last game vs Trinidad he got 44 in the first innings which was his teams second best score, Carter only beat him by three runs, against Guyana he got 62, best score in the first innings, against Trinidad in the group game he got 48 not out, BEST SCORE IN THE SECOND INNINGS which effectively won them the game, so in three of the matches he was in the top two scorers in one of the two innings, and yet HE WAS RIDICULED around these parts for not getting a ton!! ,

As I've pointed out to you ad nauseum, batting in English conditions in April and May on some of the pitches up here can be a nightmare, if you don't know how to move your feet. So, Sarwan's score in cloudy, seaming conditions is looking like quite a good one now....

So now you're making excuses about the conditions? so when Shilly was taking 7fers and Searles took a 6fer on that minefield in Grenada the other day why was you ignoring the conditions then and blaming the batsmen?

You can't have it both ways mike or else you'll just come off looking like a HYPOCRITE!!! .

Afro, you're missing some key factors....

1) Sarwan and Nash are playing in alien conditions. It's been a long time since they played in England in APRIL. When WIndies batsmen fail in the Caribbean domestic competition, there's no excuse. THose are home conditions, which they are supposed to be used to. If they can't excel at home, where half of their Test matches will be played, what future do they yave?

2) April is a very stupid time of the year to play county cricket! Do you know how cold it is up here? Do you know how damp the pitches are? IMHO, no county cricket should be played before May, and no international cricket should be played in England before June. But the ECB are locked into a big bucks deal with Sky for both, and they don't care if both are played in front of empty stands. I mean, who in their right mind is going to go to watch one of these matches, shivering from the cold?

3) This is the beginning of the season. If Sarwan averages 40 for the season, and if Nash averages 60 for the season, it will be a success story for them. How much did Kraigg and Powell average in the domestic four-day competition in the Caribbean this season? In the low 20s, if IIRC....

4) The pitches vary widely in England. SOmerset (Taunton), Surrey (Oval), Lancashire (Old Trafford), Middlesex (Lords) and Glamorgan (Cardiff) all have pitches that favour batsmen over bowlers. In April and May, with those ridiculous conditions, bowlers will be in with a shout. But come June, July and AUgust, and it's much warmer, the batsmen will come into their own. And then, in September, it's back to those cold seaming conditions again. There are pitches that favour bowlers throuhgout the season, such as the ones in Yorkshire, Liecestershire, Durham, Worcestershire, Warwickshire and Northants. The rest of the ptiches offer that happy medium, where bowlers hold sway in the months of April and May, favour batting in June, July and August, before favouring bowlers again in September.

You have to be versatile to play county cricket. Why do you think your guys did so well back in the days of Lloyd and Richards? Yes, they were more professional, and yes, they were the fittest outfit around, but the batsmen benefitted heavily from playing county cricket, and it taught them how to move their feet, more than they did when they were playing domestic cricket in the Caribbean. Greenidge, Lloyd, Richards, and Kallicharran, to name just a few, all excelled in county cricket. You just have to read the autobiographies of Lloyd and Richards, for example, to see how important playing county cricket was to their development as a batsman.

If Kraigg Brathwaite and Kieran Powell hit a 41 in their first-ever match in England, then I will be the first one to applaud them. You can bookmark dat!

mikesiva wrote:Afro, you're missing some key factors....

1) Sarwan and Nash are playing in alien conditions. It's been a long time since they played in England in APRIL. When WIndies batsmen fail in the Caribbean domestic competition, there's no excuse. THose are home conditions, which they are supposed to be used to. If they can't excel at home, where half of their Test matches will be played, what future do they yave?

Are you suggesting that Kraigg should know how to play on EVERY ground in the caribbean? we just have to look at the recent ODI series at Arnos Vale where ALL batsmen were struggling, including the Caribbean one's, so that notion doesn't always hold true, some pitches just misbehave whether they are in your country or not,

2) April is a very stupid time of the year to play county cricket! Do you know how cold it is up here? Do you know how damp the pitches are? IMHO, no county cricket should be played before May, and no international cricket should be played in England before June. But the ECB are locked into a big bucks deal with Sky for both, and they don't care if both are played in front of empty stands. I mean, who in their right mind is going to go to watch one of these matches, shivering from the cold?

Actually i just got an email from a friend who lives in England and they tell me it's SUNNY over there today!!, so someone is telling porkies Mike!! , furthermore shouldn't the county players be used to cold conditions by now? THAT'S WHERE THEY PLAY CRICKET after all!!, you can't run down Caribbean players for not performing at home and then start making excuses for county players!! ,

3) This is the beginning of the season. If Sarwan averages 40 for the season, and if Nash averages 60 for the season, it will be a success story for them. How much did Kraigg and Powell average in the domestic four-day competition in the Caribbean this season? In the low 20s, if IIRC....

Well firstly Powell only played THREE games for Leewards and secondly KRAIGG IS ONLY 19!!!.. not in his 30s!!, we're talking about players at totally different stages of their careers here, the gap in experience is HUGE, that is why i''m much more patient with Kraigg, at this young age he's got a better test record than Mukund (India) and the lad playing against England right now (Thirimanne) so the yute isn't a fool!!.. infact i believe he's the youngest opening batsman IN HISTORY to get three 50s so quickly in test cricket, and yet people wanna run him down like he's a huge problem in our team!!! .

If Kraigg Brathwaite and Kieran Powell hit a 41 in their first-ever match in England, then I will be the first one to applaud them. You can bookmark dat!

Well we'll find out about that when we tour England soon!!

It's still no excuse...Kraigg and Powell should be averaging over 40 in our domestic four-day competition. If, at the end of the county season, Sarwan and Nash average in the low 20s, like Kraigg and Powell did in the Caribbean domestic four-day competition, then they will have failed, like Kriagg and Powell did in the Caribbean....

I'm surprised at you, Afro! Just because the sun is out, it doesn't mean that it's warm....

Here on the outskirts of London for the entire weekend, it's supposed to be in the region of 11-13 Delsius at the MAXIMUM. That is, at 3pm, when it's at its WARMEST, it will be 11-13 Celsius. Do you know how cold that is? And London is supposed to be the WARMEST part of England....

Also, the sun is out today, and it should be tomorrow, but on Sunday, which is the final day of most of these matches, it's going to cloudy and rainy, dpending on where you are. That said, the batsmen will probably take some comfort in the fact that they're seeing sun today in some parts of England. It might even melt the snow in Yorkshire!

mikesiva wrote:It's still no excuse...Kraigg and Powell should be averaging over 40 in our domestic four-day competition. If, at the end of the county season, Sarwan and Nash average in the low 20s, like Kraigg and Powell did in the Caribbean domestic four-day competition, then they will have failed, like Kriagg and Powell did in the Caribbean....

If that's the case does that mean Darren Bravo should be dropped Mike? because he averaged LESS than Kraigg in the four day competition , and if the excuse is "well his test average is 50" well anyone could just say "well Kraigg averaged over 30 in his last test series"..so it works BOTH ways!! .

And i'm glad you've told the truth about it being sunny in England today!!.. so Sars and Nash will have NO EXCUSES if they return to the crease!! .

p.s. When Jordan bats i assume you will be making the same excuse for him regarding conditions? i guess we'll see!! .

Sarwan and Nash made good scores, DESPITE the difficult conditions....

41 and 67 are good scores. Jordan only made seven, so that's a failure, for an opening batsman, regardless of conditions.

Robbie Joseph takes 5-45 against Glamorgan. Please note how the Glamorgan top order have struggled....

Make that Joseph, 14.1 overs, 6-47....Glamorgan 124 all out.

Jordan has done pretty well with the ball, though. He took 3-29 to give Surrey first innings points....

PS Afro, just because it's sunny in and around London doesn't mean it's like that all over England. This is the forecast for Leeds:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2644688" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cloudy, good for the seamers, temperatures 9-10 Celsius.

Here it is for Leicester:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2644668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cloudy, good for seamers, temperatures 9-1o Celsius.

Here it is for London:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mixture of sun and clouds, temperatures 10-13.

England's a big country, you know....

The only "conditions" Nash and Sars had to deal with was the WHETHER, not minefield pitches like Kraigg, so it's two different things all together, Nash and Sars have both played in England at a higher level, so one would expect them to GET IT DONE if they get in, so imo THEY FAILED, furthermore Sars has already had a spell in county cricket (with Gloucestershire) so stop acting like this is something totally new to the man, BECAUSE IT CLEARLY ISN'T!! ,

Lastly Jordan isn't an opener, this is a totally new position for him, he also just came from a season in the Caribbean like the other two and was thrown right into the deep end by having to face the new ball!!, so it's not surprising that he didn't get a big score.

SARRRRWWWAAANNNNNN GGGAAAWWWWWNNNNNNN FI ONE RUN TO RHATID!!!

Weh Mike and di Guyana man dem? .

Oh yes, I forget - everywhere Kraigg goes, "minefield" pitches follow him...is he a minesweeper?

If you think the weather is the "only" thing batsmen have to worry about in England, then you clearly don't know much about playing cricket in England. Watch the series in May, Afro - you'll learn a lot.

But yes, it is ridiculous of Surrey to ask Jordan to open the batting with Rudolph. We all know that Jordan can't bat to save his life! In his second innings, he could only make 20, so that's a total of 27 runs at an average of 13.5.

Sarwan fell for just one in the second innings, so he will be disappointed in his returns in this match. A total of 42 runs at an average of 21. That's Kraigg/Powell territory!

Chambers has taken 3-45 for Essex against Gloucestershire so far....

mikesiva wrote:Oh yes, I forget - everywhere Kraigg goes, "minefield" pitches follow him...is he a minesweeper?

If you think the weather is the "only" thing batsmen have to worry about in England, then you clearly don't know much about playing cricket in England. Watch the series in May, Afro - you'll learn a lot.

Erm STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!.. my friend just said again it's been sunny in England today AND SARS FAILED!! , so you're argument just isn't cutting it Mike, the pitches in county cricket are usually of a good standard, so if you think a little bit of cold and some windy spells is worser than playing on a minefield then YOU'VE got a lot to learn about CRICKET old boy!! ,

But yes, it is ridiculous of Surrey to ask Jordan to open the batting with Rudolph. We all know that Jordan can't bat to save his life! In his second innings, he could only make 20, so that's a total of 27 runs at an average of 13.5.

Erm Jordan made MORE RUNS than Rudolph in this game , SO PLEASE WHEEL AND COME AGAIN!!! ,

Sarwan fell for just one in the second innings, so he will be disappointed in his returns in this match. A total of 42 runs at an average of 21. That's Kraigg/Powell territory!

It's a pity he couldn't be "Kraigg territory" when he played against India last year!!..Kraigg averaged more than him despite being AWAY from home!! .