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Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:28 am
by Rush
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WHAT DOES THE 40/30 RULE PREDICT FOR THE AUSTRALIA VS SOUTH AFRICA SERIES THAT WILL BE PLAYED 6 MONTHS FROM NOW ?

click here for team comparison

RE: AUSTRALIA

There are 3 40+ batsmen(Ponting, Clarke, and Hussey) and 3 30- bowlers(Harris, Hillenhaus, and Lyon).

AUSTRALIA HAS 6 40/30 PLAYERS.


RE: SOUTH AFRICA

There are 4 40+ batsmen(Smith, Amla, De Villiers, Kallis) and 3 30- bowlers(Steyn, Philander, Morkel).

SOUTH AFRICA HAS 7 40/30 PLAYERS.


CONCLUSION:

7 40/30 PLAYERS(SA) VS 6 40/30 PLAYERS(AUS)


According to the 40/30 rule South Africa will be slighly favored to win the test series between SA and AUS.

If the series is being played in Australia---then home advantage may neutralize the 1 40/30 players advantage SA has.

Rush

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:59 am
by BallOil
Now that NZ selected a squad...what is the prediction Rush?

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:30 am
by Rush
BallOil wrote:Now that NZ selected a squad...what is the prediction Rush?
Let's wait until after the WI/English series---then we'll get a clear idea of which players will be playing for the WI----Gayle may be back---Samuels may replace Deo----Gabriel may also be in the team.

Click on the link--punch in WI and NZ--- for the team comparison:

Team comparison

As of now, NZ has only one 40+ batsman and 2 30- bowlers----that's 3 40/30 players; the WI has 4 40/30 players.

THE TEAMS ARE EVENLY MATCHED---THE 40/30 RULE MAY INDICATE A DRAWN SERIES.

The last series between WI and NZ was drawn 0-0---link: wi vs nz test series

Rush

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:54 pm
by Rev
Rush wrote:Image

OK Folks!

The most accurate predictor of the winner of any test series between 2 teams is the 40/30 rule.

What is the 40/30 rule you ask ?
Well, the 40 represents batting average---for any test team---how many batsmen have a batting average 40 or more.

And the 30 represents bowling average---for any test team---how many bowlers have a bowling average of 30.00 or less.
APPLYING THE 40/30 rule:

When 2 teams meet in a test series---the team with the greater number of 40/30 players will emerge victorious 95% of the time.

Click here for team comparison


RE: UPCOMING SERIES WI VS ENGLAND

Click on that team comparison above---input WI and ENGLAND.


FOR THE WEST INDIES:

Only 3 batsmen(Kirk Edwards, Chanderpaul, and Bravo) average 40+.

Only 1 bowler average(Kemar Roach) 30.00 or less.

SO THE WEST INDIES HAS 4 40/30 PLAYERS.


FOR ENGLAND:

6 batsmen average 40 or more; 3 bowlers average 30.00 or more


CONCLUSION--THE 40/30 RULE AS A PREDICTOR
When a team with 4 40/30 players(the WI) plays a team with 9 40/30 players(England)----there is a 95% probability the team with the greater number of 40/30 players will emerge victorious---England will win the upcoming series----9 is greater than 4
Rush

Read this again:
When a team with 4 40/30 players(the WI) plays a team with 9 40/30 players(England)----there is a 95% probability the team with the greater number of 40/30 players will emerge victorious---England will win the upcoming series----9 is greater than 4
Rev

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:29 am
by howzdat
howzdat wrote:Was just looking at the scorecard of this game and noticed that WI 'won hands down' in the category of extras! 35 altogether in the match. England did concede 24 in the first innings, but in the second, as the match tightened, they only concede 8 in a total of 345. Defending a low fourth innings score West Indies contributed 18 runs to England's total. Telling stats?
I have brought this post over here from the "England vs WIndies, first Test, Lords, May 17-21" topic in order to voice some of my observations/experience of this 40/30 factor as it may help to inform us about the likely outcome of a cricket match.

Despite all the flattering words - and OMG how they are continuing to pour out of the English media wholesale, from people with well informed cricket opinion and then picked up and restated by the chattering classes till you would honestly believe that England has not faced a sterner 'test' in a game for a long, long while - the match result was as many expected beforehand. Yes, perhaps closer at points than many anticipated.

Now, I don't want to dampen any ardour or rising motivation, that the WI camp may have brewing in its ranks; nor do I want to appear to disrespect those who are expressing a genuine opinion with no aim of "disinformation", however in the final, conclusive analysis the team with the higher number of 40/30 players got the job done - and it was this factor that really lay behind me pointing out the 2nd innings extras situation.

I see for myself that I used the term "as the match tightened" i.e as the so-called lesser fancied team appeared to arrive at a situation in the game where an upset looked a possibility, the players on the team with the higher 40/30 % stood up to be counted.

Look at this: Fall of wickets 1-1 (Strauss, 1.2 ov), 2-10 (Anderson, 3.1 ov), 3-29 (Trott, 9.2 ov), 4-57 (Pietersen, 14.4 ov), 5-189 (Cook, 45.3 ov). Notice that for all the plaudits coming WI way, they did not have/find the means, or the resources at their disposal were not effectively deployed, to push on to victory when the match appeared to be in the balance. Not only that they contributed 18 runs to the opposition cause!

Nor did WI find a way to keep the scoring rate down as they defended a low score: conceding 193 runs in 46.1 overs at a run rate of 4.18 in 202 mins! - almost a run-a-ball / run-a-mnute and that bowling last, late on the fourth and into the fifth day of a test match. And yes I know that pitches aint like they used to be. Admittedly, this may count for nothing in the eyes of many because at the start of the innings England had a whole heap of overs to get the job done in. True.

Now, if this 40/30 rule (predictive aid) also intrigues you, look at the WI bowling figures in that second innings. There were only two bowlers who went for less than the rate at which England scored those 193 runs; and yes once again this ought to be considered against their career averages which I have not yet done.

Please do not get not it twisted, this post is not any sort of tirade against the West Indies team, any player or team management but rather it is a sort of marvel at the games within games when it comes to professional sport.

I was at first taken aback by this 40/30 predictive aid, and then upset by it, and then in despair over it because I mistakenly allowed myself to think: So if it this simple what's the joy in being a fan?! When the match done "likely decided" on paper before a ball is bowled But since then I have moved on and I am looking even more keenly at the contests and although the team I support is still coming 2nd I have developed an greater appreciation for those crunch moments in a game.

At 2.40 pm on the 21st May the 40/30 prediction became reality. And so, alas, as I observe this series I am looking to the future insofar as consistent West Indies series victories against higher opposition is concerned.

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 7:22 am
by BallOil
howzdat? Nice post...:)

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 7:37 am
by Rev
howzdat wrote:I was at first taken aback by this 40/30 predictive aid, and then upset by it, and then in despair over it because I mistakenly allowed myself to think: So if it this simple what's the joy in being a fan?! When the match done "likely decided" on paper before a ball is bowled But since then I have moved on and I am looking even more keenly at the contests and although the team I support is still coming 2nd I have developed an greater appreciation for those crunch moments in a game.

At 2.40 pm on the 21st May the 40/30 prediction became reality. And so, alas, as I observe this series I am looking to the future insofar as consistent West Indies series victories against higher opposition is concerned
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Excellent post Howzy! Well said!

Listen! The series result is a fait accompli. But that should not prevent cricket fans from enjoying the individual accomplishments of the players---and the effort they put forth.

Clearly the West Indies exceeded expectations at the Lords test----Shiv was remarkable with the bat and Roach did well with the ball.

For the remainder of the series fans should pay attention to see if Shiv can achieve 8 consecutive fifty plus scores---he would then hold the world record----currenly he shares the world record for most consecutive fifty plus scores(7) with Everton Weekes and Adam Flower.

Once again, excellent post Howzy-----and yes, the 40/30 rule is simple yet profound. :D

Rev

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:33 am
by howzdat
Before I share a thought on Shiv - which I have now done here (parental guidance advised) - I'd ike to spend a bit more time extendig this 40/30 chat and the existence of games within games.

Notwithstanding all of the events in that game, from a sporting psychology point of view, England left Lords with their own self-belief enormously strengthened. To have won that match by 5 wicktets is in fact a huge margin, and to have done so having been 4 down for less than 100 is a big, big thing.

As for Windies, well we know that based on Gibson's stated objectives, compared with the last time the team appeared at Lords, to have taken the game to 5 days was a huge improvement. But reality is that the size of the mountain to be climbed is evident for all to see. Windies have to find ways to create and sieze those moments.

So 40/30 or not and having said all of that above there is still space in my psyche for the irrational fan in me to harbour those "if only" thoughts :oops: :oops: Ah the life of and times of sports fan.

The truth is that I will forever wonder what would have happened if WI had allowed each of the fast bowlers to get at least one over on that fourth evening. Each given a chance to deliver 6 balls of mean intent! And so for me, that third over would have been bowled by Gabriel and I would have told him he has six balls to become a hero in his very own lifetime!

And yes, the last over would have of course been bowled by Roach, and Anderson would still have found himself walking back to the pavilion.

And so 40/30 or not "we still dare to dream" ...

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:39 am
by mikesiva
The 40/30 predictor continues to be a good way of assessing the strengths of a side...give me that system over subjective views any day.

For example, Afro continues to put down the achievements of Philander, solely because he doesn't bowl express pace like Steyn. What he fails to acknowledge is that Philander is an exceptional swing bowler, and right now he's destroying the NZ top order....

Roach is a good bowler, but the Saffer opening bowling partnership of Steyn and Philander is miles better than anything we can put out right now. Philander has played 12 Tests, and has an average of under 18...absolutely brilliant!

Re: THE 40/30 RULE: BEST PREDICTOR OF TEST SERIES

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:00 pm
by Rev
THE 40/30 RULE: SOUTH AFRICA VS NEW ZEALAND

team comparisons--sa vs nz

* There are 6 sa batsmen who avg 40+ and 3 sa bowlers who avg 30 or less = 9 40/30 players

* There is one nz batsman who avg 40+ and 2 nz bowlers who avg 30 or less = 3 40/30 players


When a team(sa) with 9 40/30 players competed against a team(nz) with 3 40/30 players---it will be a onesided matchup.

Rev