West Indies Cricket Fans

Dunce, you still haven't realised.....this isn't a crab in a barrel thread like the ones you create.......this thread isn't about Jamaica vs Leewards, its about competitive value, the clue is in the title.

You really must believe everyone thinks like you do

I would pick Ambrose over Holding 9 times every 10...... but....they both finished playing years ago and my opinion of them is no use to the " competitive value " being offered by the Leeward and British West Indies first XI's.

You seem determined to frame competitive value, (without addressing it directly), around the relative states of infrastructure, population and finance.......but you cant say HOW with so little infrastructure and finance, EXACTLY did Jam win 6 of the last 7 R4D's

Or WHY, ........with the most money, best infrastructure and 2nd largest population cant T&T buy a R4D title

HOW INDIA, with the biggest population, most money and best infastructure........do not soundly beat all comers, perpetually (even WI have a superior head to head test record)

You said : Leewards could stay at the bottom for the next 30 years for all i care...if they produce two quality WI players every three years they would have done their job.

The big IF, the fools guarantee lol. If beggars had horses...............

Cella dwellas producing 2 quality players every three years is far fetched, in any sport, their lack of production over the last 30 years should have taught you that - dunce.

So, exactly HOW MANY " quality players " have LICA produced in the last 25 years

I'd guess its a lot less than the 16 your own projections would yield. WHY IS THAT, EXACTLY

Isnt 27 % enough to meet the standard you set them or more than enough to fix their pitch's and facilities, submit S50 squads on time, prevent eviction orders being sent to their offices, or to run a domestic competition

You do realise that with no domestic competition LICA are about as much of a cricket playing nation as Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Israel or Palestine North Korea, Iceland and Mongolia

Going by your population and infrastructure calculations their ability for growth is terminally handicapped.

In that light 27% of funds can never be justified, so yet again your own conflicts of interest diminish your talking points

LICA have less than 300 000 people combined, Jamaica and T&T have 4.2 million, but receive less than 27 % development funds, combined. LICA are a confirmed drain on WICBC finance .

I know you're out to lunch but surely even you wouldn't go as far to suggest that's a sound business practice, an efficient use of funds or one that can continue indefinitely, with the WICBC $10 million in debt I'd doubt even you would be that foolish.

But I cant be sure..

I cant be sure...but I would be prepared to take an educated guess

To my knowledge, LICA have produced approx 10 -12 quality players for the British West Indies first XI in the last 56 years,

While you now project 2 every three years, that works out to be 20 in the next 30 years.

The British West Indies combined havent even produced 20 quality players in the last 30 years

Where do you pull these figures from, your arse.

the leewards structure has been the only PISS POOR structure in the region because your beloved JAMAICA'S is too...and so is winwards.

so why has Jamaica been producing better players than Leewards despite have the same "piss poor" structure?

Imagine if Jamaica has been given the same money to build their structure....we might have gotten even better players from them!

[quote]simply does not UNDERSTAND...the bottom line is POPULATION[/quote]

[quote]JAM DONT HAVE THE STRUCTURE TO GO IT ALONE[/quote]

But, but........athenasius, your population theory is blown apart by India's failure to dominate internationally and T&T's inability to do so regionally, while the structure fallacy also falls down at both T&T and India.

So you wont be eating or having any cake on this one.

why has Jamaica been producing better players than Leewards

Everyone has been producing better players than Leewards but that's really just a side issue when the begging bowl is full.

why does competitive value matter you so much

For the same reason a productive, cohesive and contributing LICA means so little to you in comparison to the unmerited finance they receive, simples

AFRO wrote:

Gils wrote:
Can you show us all where I said dump LICA.. Either on this thread or elsewhere.....

YOU'RE the one talking about "value"...so what the hell are you trying to get at? if you don't want them dumped why does "competitive value" matter to you so much?

So I take it you cant prove I said dump LICA then............liar

You, LIAR, are the one who first introduced the term " competitive value " to the fan, with the sole intention to stifle Jamaican, and by extension all independent countries, sovereign rights.

simply does not UNDERSTAND the competitive value of having the island's form together to make the great institution that is the west indies

So it is not " what I am getting at " and more a case of " why it matters to YOU, SO much ".

I think it's now obvious to all those with eyes to see, you support the principle of funding and developing LICA at the regional level but are rabidly opposed to Jamaica being given the same allowances at the international level.

So the words that come out your arse have simply been taken down and used against you in a forum of public opinion.

Yin and yang style, or hangman, the one away version, wherein you simultaneously hold the rope around your own neck and kick the chair

I personally think the symmetry is a thing of beauty every time you promote LICA's cause you defeat your own opposition to Jamaica's, thanks dunce

AFRO wrote:JAM DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE TO "GO IT ALONE".

..we don't have a massive population to pick from so the notion that Leewards should be "dumped" is just plain SILLY

Jamaica have a large enough population lol while LICA, without a domestic competition, don't even have a structure to function at the first class level.

You see liar, how your easily your decietful motives are revealed, how your conflict of interests are exposed by your own lies.

So dunce are you that those contradictions were found in the same post, but that just go's to show the dangers in lying, you have to keep telling more to make the last one stick.

And proves, hanging your mouth where the soup is running is not compatible with the truth, you craven, licorice rass

" Jamaica, being the largest of the territories have more options to choose from interms of numbers, so obviously natural talent is bound to sneak through..........a poor club structure can also be detrimental to their youth system, which in turn effects WI ".

IN TERMS OF NUMBERS YEAH

Sneak thru on numbers, Is that what the " natural talent " did. Is that what Blackwood just did, sneak thru.

So what did KP23 just do then, " sneak " himself out the test team because of the numbers.

Which numbers, population, average or finance

" A poor club structure can be detrimental to the youts " can it. But affers, it didn't work out too badly for Blackwood, did it,

And how has Jamaica's poor club structure affected representation in the BWI first XI's

Samuels and Gayle are top six run scorers in tests for more than the last 3 years and as far as I know the latest squad see's Jamaican representation exceed your own requirement for 2 quality players from each territory.

So what is it you're really talking about, if not fart, when you offer competitive value, population, finance or infrastructure as problems LICA but not Jamaica can overcome.

How much " competitive value " do the 8th placed West Indies offer to test cricket in a pool of only 10 teams

Well, athenasius ran away from this question 7 weeks ago but the next six months will conclusively show the precise state and " competitive value " of WICBC cricket, both on and off the pitch.

With an ODI world cup in Aus/NZ, Shiv and Gayle heading towards milestones and perhaps retirement for one of them, plus hard series against Eng, SA and India I look on with anticipation.

Presently ranked 7,7 and 8th in T20, ODI and tests respectively and with new question marks over Gayles fitness and the legality of Narines bowling its fair to say WI getting off to an uncertain and undesirable start.

AFRO wrote:the leewards structure has been the only PISS POOR structure in the region because your beloved JAMAICA'S is too...and so is winwards. Secondly these teams ARE THERE TO PROVIDE WI WITH PLAYERS...how they do in regional competition is NOT that important..but i guess because you're a phony "militant" Jamaican who doesn't even reside in the country you're more concerned about Jamaica "winning six titles" than how many TEST QUALITY players they have provided over recent years...and here's a hint..IT'S NOT A LOT!!.

Leewards could stay at the bottom for the next 30 years for all i care...if they produce two quality WI players every three years they would have done their jobs...FULL STOP. The fact is Ambrose and Viv are BETTER THAN ANY JAMAICAN THAT EVER PLAYED FOR WI BAR HEADLEY!!..and i know that must BUNN you

More anti-Jamaican crap....

Exactly what is "piss-poor" about Jamaica's structure?

Winning six titles is more indicative of Jamaica's successful structure than which players are selected for the West Indies by a biased WI selection panel. It seems you're only interested in your Eastern Caribbean youngsters making WIndies teams than in the performance of regional teams like the Leewards...that's backwards thinking, skunt.

Do tell us exactly where the Eastern Caribbean has a better structure than Jamaica....