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Re: Competitive value

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:14 pm
by mapoui2
rarse like Lloyd and them always negative.I hate them rass and dem. f

from Lloyd as west indian captain who overcame, you would think that he of all people would always look at the picture whole and see what ALL the alternatives are..before he sighs in resignation..'nutten is possible, we are doomed'... big effing skunt useless crap tears

if the Jamaican athletics people thought like that there would be no USAIN BOLT!

try imagine if USAIN did not happen..one of the very greatest, massive, most enjoyable and sweet, clarifying developmental moments in world history ... USAIN BOLT! all because the Jamaican athletics people never said die..because they created where thy could not afford what is modern

well we do not have to stop at athletics. we can apply that principle to all we face, TO THE ENTIRE LIFE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE WILL PREVAIL
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Re: Competitive value

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:16 pm
by Gils
mapoui2 wrote:
Gils wrote:I haven't mentioned Yard for 5 whole pages (Months), in expectation of this this very occasion 8-) .

No single nation in the Caribbean has that problem (Except T&T)
hahahahahaha! good! you wont ever have to mention it again
As Lloyd and the last 3 months have proven, I don’t have to - not when the cost of air travel “ concerns no other nation but T&T ” .

Regardless, a man of your experience should know what you want and what you get are two different things

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:21 pm
by Gils
if the Jamaican athletics people thought like that there would be no USAIN BOLT!
So would you go so far to suggest these same Jamaicans will shelve that hereditary instinct indefinitely to favour the colonial instrument of central control that is WICB .
Lloyd and them always negative.I hate them rass and dem.
He says WI can’t compete but as you dispute this perhaps you could tell me what CV rating you assign to the 8th placed West Indies in a field of only 10 teams.

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:55 pm
by mapoui2
So would you go so far to suggest these same Jamaicans will shelve that hereditary instinct indefinitely to favour the colonial instrument of central control that is WICB
wat yuh mean by dat :roll:

dat is human..not just Jamaican. we all have dat but it has been smothered. even so when the smothered have need to create they can. it all depends

no forrin power interferes with such creativity in Yardy athletics, they weren't so sanguine however when Manley thought to tax the bauxite conglomerate..a brave and creative act indeed..

there will be some form of central social control everywhere...for now. but it will not last. but its disappearance depends on us making sure the central control does it's job that's all. the better it complete its function is the faster it prepares the way for its own demise.

we have to change the society to a positive frame. that society will then change the wicb and set the way to the best future for the cricket

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:27 am
by Gils
CV rating for the 8th placed of 10 teams :?: ........ :geek:
dat is human..not just Jamaican. we all have dat
You're not making much sense

On the one hand you express desire for me to make no mention of Jamaica, while on the other you present a synopsis that is Jamaica centric, which you now distance yourself from.

Also, if, we all have dat why would it manifest predominantly in Jamaica. Before Bolt was Powell, after Bolt follows Blake but after Bolden came........after Walcott follows......

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:38 pm
by mapoui2
yes..it looks like we have diverged but its not on me.....

life is dialectic,many sided in which all sides are related/relative, interdependent. what looks confusing does not have to be, being often the different sides/aspects of one issue..nothing at all separate and distinct. but its how this unity exists

here are the american people..at one time revolutionary and socially creative, credited with giving the world a new form of government, putting kings in their places...teaching their..and the world.. children the revolutinary glory of their formative story/and at another reactionary and opposed to the very same revolutionary all over the world bombing to stone age any and all such efforts by people to solve their problem

what experience holds these opposites together?

in Jamaca we have a very creative experience and its brilliant results. on examination we find that same revolutionary creativity is different in no aspect at all from the same that the americans claim as their glorious formative story. but we find n difference also in th Russia people in 1971 in the collapse of the central authority creating the social organization that successfully solved the social breakdown and continued social order

and everywhere you find the same social behavior by the people especially in crisis that reorders things and bequeaths to succeeding generations new political forms or social organization that takes society forward..so much so that ways extant in any social reality currently is the product of such previous collective behavior of the people

well..why isnt such behavior always be on display, informing all social behavior, all the time? why for example..in Jamaica such creativity doe s not find expression on national issues especially economics where reform..indeed revolution is urgently required because the Jamaica people as people anywhere are currently enslaved by financial means elongated from or by the City of London and Walls Street in New York

how can the Jamaincan people apply such creativity as they undoubtedly posses on their national economic crisis?

well we can see how the crisis developed from one stage to another...that there was a previous crisis that led to that old stage that led to this current one and that the central is was class based then as it is now, and that the stage of social development made the current relationship of the classes possible. it mean that a minority class would still control socially and that exploitation was the name of the game ensuring that a revolution for freedom of popular creativity lay ahead when the social realty had developed sufficiently to waste out the domination of the exploitative class in place that had benefited from the previous crisis, that had used the people in revolutionary ferment to achieve domination under all the creativity that had taken place. the dominant class had usurped that creativity and reasserted a social domination of themselves in place of the one before

that domination had stopped the peoples reforms in asserting its domination, used or incorporated whatever the people created that could not be turned back but is such ways that it fed the new dictatorship. but when that new dictatorship becomes old by time and the internal development that it encouraged, technological advance we have a new crisis that again can be solved by loosing the peoples creativity in revolutionary collective activity on the the crisis

and of course that would incur he opposition of the dictatorship now old and useless but still with the intent of going on endlessly. they people/time/technological advance will put an end to that. they cannot go on but their efforts will ensure a huge social fight..a revolution.

that then is the experience that holds all those seeming opposites in relationship, that appears to make a confusion but its not a confusion if you have the time to unravel the detail rich interdependence in reality.

hnce the Yardies for now can release thier frustrated creativity on athletics without interference from their elites. but once it attempts to outstrip those confines the official response comes..will be swift and relentless.

if a bunch of young jamaican economists say for example: this financial slavery will end in our elimination as a society and that is untenable, how can we rid ourselves of this?
they come up with an answer like this: how much money do we have..can we pull together...20million Jamaican which isnt a lot of money converted to the Canadian for example and make a bank and proceeds to print/create a new script/dollar to a benchmark of say the CD to establish a new but relative value that would protect all inside that script, eliminate alli nflation withing the area of its intended use.

and with that money rope in only local farmers who play along and get them going, then market all they produce with that script by buying Jamaican dollars from those who wish to purchase for that script at the proper prices in the market..the old.script can be used to buy on the open market what is needed inside the area of the new script

they can go all the way with that script to replacing the current Jamaica dollar and free Jamaican entirely from forrin financial domination by using the new money..that has become totally revolutionary. now there you go it would be more difficult that that but the details would be worked out easily. the real difficulty would come in the social confrontation it would precipitate between the people and the Jamaican elite beholden to forrin interest.

the elites would send in the police/military and ultimately forrin invasion.

but the creativity is there. our mythical economists are an example. but they are not so mythical for there have been such ideas going around for long now and a few small attempts already have been made that creativity has been bottled up in elitist social control for as long as their dictatorship has been in place. but it is always there, every where in the world. in all people, seeking expression.

but we must understand the nature of society to detect it always and that is simple. class contradictions is the way society functions..has functioned up to this point. it is on its last legs for with the level of technology achieved we can now create a new social type..which is an old type.. that is not class based but what we call egalitarian, communal or communist the most loaded word of all.

but communist is the way human society began and we are headed straight back to it but on a higher level..the highest level of human advance achieved so far

I am not contradictory at all Gils. at least I am not trying to be.

you difficulty Gils is that your world, your view of things is bordered by the contiguous limitations of the Yardy land mass and culture. all you do, everywhere you have been and lived has been collated into a view of things that is Jamaica centred. that is by no means impossible in the world..indeed it is easily explicable especially if your skin is dark..a Black Jamaican, west indian...

that is why what I say may be confusing to you. I am not limited by anything such. I refuse to be. I dont see humanity in any such limited ways and all I work for is a means to an end that is human...for very good reason..indeed there is no other reason. an not humanity it is currently constituted but to make humanity so to speak, the real humanity who are yet to come..for wthout such he/she we aint going on much further..

wat say you...have I made any sense further...I tried :?:

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:51 am
by Gils
Well, that was all very entertaining Mapoui, but you will have to raise the bar much higher to limbo past the mark you imposed on yourself when choosing to defend frao's claim :D

Since you are renowned for backing your judgement at profit I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.

If you and frao can keep Jamaica out of your mouth then I will promise not to mention going it alone.

This is the one & only condition to our wager, should you accept, and the first posters to break it will be deemed the loser, at which point they incur a penalty. Be it financial, a ban on posting or any other acute marginalization your imagination can conjure up ....... your choice 8-) .

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:30 am
by mapoui2
nah! no deal!
you mean I wun be able to mention mih bredrin in no way at all for dat long :roll: :roll: :roll:
dat hard!

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:19 pm
by Gils
So, once again your fundamental flaw is revealed, rendering both your explanations and excuse’s unworthy of mention, irrelevant

Empty barrel mek di most noise, a tru :!: .

Re: Competitive value

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:18 pm
by mapoui2
posted with great reluctance both....I knew they were pointless. almost took them down myself...