link"I am not in the region as much as other former West Indies cricketers; my job takes me out of the Caribbean about nine months of the year," the Sky Sports cricket
commentator pointed out. "Apart from that, even if I was available to get involved in cricket in the Caribbean, I would not get involved with this current West Indies Cricket Board (WICB).
"I think administratively they are a joke; I don't have any respect for the way the board is run, I don't have any respect for a lot of things they do and so I wouldn't want to get formally involved with them."
He further believes Gayle's replacement as captain, Darren Sammy, does not merit his place in the team, especially if all the fast bowlers are available.
"I have seen Darren Sammy play and I don't think Darren Sammy is a certainty in the West Indies team if everyone is fit and well," Holding cited. "He is an all-rounder ... that means he has to do both (bat and bowl) to merit being in the team and if all the fast bowlers are fit, there is no need for him really to be bowling. He is not going to be taking four or five-wicket hauls or he shouldn't be getting the ball to even bowl that long."
This, he thinks, might lead to Sammy losing his credibility and the respect of the team.
Holding said: "As a captain, at some point he might lose his credibility because if he is not performing in the team, how can he look at the players around him and say anything to them when he is not justifying his position in the team. And once you lose your credibility in the team, you have lost the team, so I don't think that was a wise decision to make him captain."
Holding steering clear of current WI board
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BallOil
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socafighter
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Very simple .....
What has he done to improve West Indies Cricket other than I resign or open his big mouth as a critic.
What a dipstick .....
What has he done to improve West Indies Cricket other than I resign or open his big mouth as a critic.
What a dipstick .....
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socafighter
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Bally , its easy to criticize.....
If one criticizes offer a solution. the latter is difficult to do especially by idiots.
This has nothing to do with him as a player.
If one criticizes offer a solution. the latter is difficult to do especially by idiots.
This has nothing to do with him as a player.
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BallOil wrote:Soca, I hear ya but where do you want to start with a solution? WICB doh need help, they have Sammy and Gibbo so everything aite deh
I wonder what exactly is Holding beef with the WICB though..
thats seriously tactical Bally! 'sure! start with a solution why dont you?'
some people believe they are smart but look at what they say...because they certainly do not!
what is the solution to westindies cricket in terms of specific organisational framework, policy thrusts, finances, player relations, coaching, attracting talent to the game etc?
what is it then? is it a made thing...and out their waiting to be claimed, picked-up, and the damm wicb fools so bline deh cyar see it and start to wear it?
only a few things are certain! that those who run westindies cricket are of the westindian black/brown elite class, and shaped by their training, class orientation, class position and ineterest they look to maintianance or addition of organisational policies consistent with the maintaince of their class postion, aurhority and social security.
for the elite to act contrary to this would be illogical and inconsistent with the way we can easily prove life goes.
on this basis, we know for certain there will always be for example war between the players/players reprentative and the wicb.
these 2 groups are bound in perpetuity, to clash on issues like wages and authority for, wicb authority is consistent with the maintance of class position, and they will not give that authority up.
the players are compromised by authorityfrom the top, their interest unmet, their concerns unaddressed, their freedom, manhood ect attenuated by rules enacted for that specific purpose. as permitted by the unequal relationship between power and ordinary folk in the whole society, the wicb can do as it pleases and according to their unequal power and control of the intelletul and social superstructure, the players must do as they ae told.
that is the social usage we are dealing with, within which we all live and find quite undemocratic and very unsatisfactory socially
and as the general conditons of life, fundamentally economics waxes and wanes in either direction, it intensifies the contradiction between players/ordinary people.. and authority of the elites. there are many policy initiatives for example in westindies cricket that seem obvious and essential to be implemented, or removed, which the wicb are not persuing, to the charin of all ordinary fans/westindians. it ought to be obvious that if the wicb thought that those policies were in its interest they would be persued.
if these initiatiaives are basic and are not being persude then obviously westindies cricket suffer. and the fact that the initiatives are basic means that they benefit ordinary player and fan..more thasn it is een to benefit the elites. so that if these are to be persued then the it eould be player and the fan who would effect them, for we know the wicb wont do it. and for the player and fan to so have such an effect then there must be the basic social change that removes the elites from the social power and places ordinary folk in its stead.
that is the basic sitution that has resulted in westindian cricket failure. so what solution must one propose then, now.... save to point out that the only way forward from this quagmire is social revolution, a process that overturns established patterns of power making the bottom top and the top bottom. and we can be guranteed that when the people are in charge of the angle of approach they will follow...just as we can now, and have pointed out, the angle and interest from which current failed policies flow.
but failed from whose point of view?
as long as the current status quo remains in place...with the westindian blac and brow elites in charge....all the bullshit, all the failure will continue. there can no doubt about that! the westindian black/brown elites have no choice but to continue with this nonsense. anything else is surrender and loss of social power to ordinary people. they will not give up! its a fight to the death! they cant do better, will not make the cricket successful, but that is no never mind. the issue is survival as they are, as we are. and that is what they will continue trying to do in perpetuity.
so what solution does any fool want to proffer now..to the wicb or to hang up anywhere including on the FAN?
more Patterson reports? more this study or that commissions' report....the Mitchell commissions' report?
how many more to be commissioned before the brilliant people here realise that absolutely none will be put in place, effected, carried out.... no matter what it recommends,...as long as it threantes the class base of the westindian elites. that is why they are not interested! and all at the top, involved in the commissins, running the region..politician, bureaucrat, all....know the wicb are not interested and participate in twhat is a charade all the way, endlessly.
and some of those in the charade were politicians with real power in the region, who as prime ministers could have actually caused change at factory road if that was their intent. but they said litttle while in power, played their social roles out of power, and now are gone and the wicb is still in place. if the westindian elites wanted change at factory road we would have long had such change. they want none so the wicb remains in place a law unto itself, doing as it pleases with what the people hold as a cherished institution.
no institution in any society is above and beyond the reach of the politicians, of the government, whether that instituion is supra-regional as in the case of the westindies or not. if those westindian governments want to get anybody, any group or institution in the region, there is nothing that can or will stop them..or has ever stopped them..far less the wicb.
the idea that the wicb is above such regioal power, and is untouchable is a pure fiction.
its all been done already Bally..the plans, solutions etc., to no avail! why because of the basic social relationships at this stage of our social evolution, and the class ineterests involved as already noted...which interest is dominant/subordinate at this time and the battle that will see one interest win out, eliminating the basis of life for the others, instituting a new phase of social organisation which..if the people dominate... would also transform the working man/ordinary folk (player) in quick time, leading to a society in which the ordinary interested dominated and led all to democracy that resulted in the full opportunity and ultimately the development of all.
and the eventual practical solution by the people and directed by them, would be formuated at the time, by them according to all the knowledge, power and need they have at that time they are creating a solution for westindies cricket.
that is what the will people when and if they win the social power. we see and know what the elites can and will do for they are doing it in front of our faces.
so let the brilliant go give them solutions den nuh!
write up one! make up many! research yuhself to the bone to finess something..better than Patterson and Mitchell...and the one by P&W coming up at the cost of millions... : and go gih dem 
post it (them) up here too, for fun and amusement, and even serious debate, for that too can break out on boards on such a subject
let dem go on Bally! instead of just criticisng people for not putting up a solution 'multiples' can in additon to criticism put up a solution himself to demonstrate his own smarts, concrn and responsibility in the situation... as opposed to me for example.
why dont he he?