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Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:19 pm
by BallOil
em Aussies think so... What say you? :)

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:19 pm
by mapoui
Charlie never chucked! it was ball in deh rass dats what...ball and pace like fiyah...accuracy with yorkers bussin' men toes, bouncers off good length to prise men up after deh dig low to root out the diggers.

is drive men low and pick dem up again...a terror of a fast bowler with a demeanour and attitude to match...Ambrose before Ambrose!

the Oz and dem couldnt take it man. deh had been terrorisin' we fuh years with Tyson, Statham, Loader..who was a ral chucker...Truman.... Lindwall, Miller, Johnston, Davidson, Meckiff..another real chucker...McKenzie, Hoare... they expected that that was their thing and we would never be able to hit back.

and when we did hit back they sought to take it away from us by using the media and the rules through their control of the ICC. they changed all the rules regarding fast bowling to try stiffle westindian pace.

thats all there was to Griffith...a calculated, orchestrated plan by the english and Oz to emasculate westindian fast bowling..from then with Hall, Gilchrist, Cohen, King, Watson and Sobers, Jaswick Taylor etc....and into the future.

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:22 am
by BallOil
Norman O'Neil wrote in his book that Charlie was a thrower... :)

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:54 pm
by BallOil
I understand that Benaud also published an article supporting Charlie the chucker... Like the Aussies had a campaign out for Charlie :)

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:14 am
by Googley
Charlie was a chucker! so was Ramadin!

I know Ramadin admitted it...can't remember if Charlie did.

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:06 am
by mapoui
when and where ramadin admitted he chucked. man must quote and link with this!

ram did not bowl with a camera looking at himself. how come he knew he chucked?

and remember the english in particular were besides themselves to find a way to defeat Ram...any way at all. given that the english ended up enlisting the umpire with a very creative interpretation of the LBW rules to get over Ram..who say they they would not have gotten rid of Ram immediatly if he was a chucker

these are bowlers I saw bowl many times..Ram and Griff...extensively, many overs...at the QPO. there wasnt the slightest fault with either of them...not a hint of chucking.

all westindian players of the time said so anyway. and would Worrell have cheated...the most respected worrell? if worrell believed charlie chucked he would not have played him.

and at the time..when westindies played Oz at the QPO in 1965 they photograped charlie something awful...movies. stills, analysis to the enth degree. there was'nt a bowler so scrutinised as Griff until Murali. and they could find nothing!

this man wuddent understand...what is he tryting to do make me make plenty posts answering him? he doh have to play dem kinda ah games with me. to so is foolish as he usually is. cricket is a subject I like to wallow in, talk about, all day long.....cricket politics economics, music, sports in general, horse racing.

IF CHARLIE GRIFFIT CHUCKED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM TEST CRICKET IMMEDIATELY,.,,JUST AS LAWSON WAS...ESPECIALLY AFTER CONTRACTOR DUCKED INTO A NORMAL BALL FROM GRIFF THINKING IT WAS GOING TO RISE AND ALMOST GOT HIMSELF KILLED.

(THE RACISM WAS WORSE IN GRIFFS DAY THAN IT WAS IN LAWSONS' )

THE ICC UNDER WHITE LEADERSHIP TOOK/TAKES NO BLAC PRISONERS. GUILLOTINE EVERYTIME! IF GRIFF WAS A CHUCKER HE WAS TOAST!

SO NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH GRIFS ACTION! BUT I DID NOT NEED THEM TO TELL ME THAT! i SAW GRIFF WAS FINE WITH MY OWN 2 EYES

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:38 am
by BallOil
I'm reading Sobers book will be back on my take with Charlie the chucker chapter shortly.

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:26 am
by Googley
mapoui wrote:when and where ramadin admitted he chucked. man must quote and link with this!

ram did not bowl with a camera looking at himself. how come he knew he chucked?

and remember the english in particular were besides themselves to find a way to defeat Ram...any way at all. given that the english ended up enlisting the umpire with a very creative interpretation of the LBW rules to get over Ram..who say they they would not have gotten rid of Ram immediatly if he was a chucker

these are bowlers I saw bowl many times..Ram and Griff...extensively, many overs...at the QPO. there wasnt the slightest fault with either of them...not a hint of chucking.

all westindian players of the time said so anyway. and would Worrell have cheated...the most respected worrell? if worrell believed charlie chucked he would not have played him.

and at the time..when westindies played Oz at the QPO in 1965 they photograped charlie something awful...movies. stills, analysis to the enth degree. there was'nt a bowler so scrutinised as Griff until Murali. and they could find nothing!

this man wuddent understand...what is he tryting to do make me make plenty posts answering him? he doh have to play dem kinda ah games with me. to so is foolish as he usually is. cricket is a subject I like to wallow in, talk about, all day long.....cricket politics economics, music, sports in general, horse racing.

IF CHARLIE GRIFFIT CHUCKED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM TEST CRICKET IMMEDIATELY,.,,JUST AS LAWSON WAS...ESPECIALLY AFTER CONTRACTOR DUCKED INTO A NORMAL BALL FROM GRIFF THINKING IT WAS GOING TO RISE AND ALMOST GOT HIMSELF KILLED.

(THE RACISM WAS WORSE IN GRIFFS DAY THAN IT WAS IN LAWSONS' )

THE ICC UNDER WHITE LEADERSHIP TOOK/TAKES NO BLAC PRISONERS. GUILLOTINE EVERYTIME! IF GRIFF WAS A CHUCKER HE WAS TOAST!

SO NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH GRIFS ACTION! BUT I DID NOT NEED THEM TO TELL ME THAT! i SAW GRIFF WAS FINE WITH MY OWN 2 EYES

you are a skunt and a blind one at that too!!

http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19 ... 04110.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LONDON, March 3: Sonny Ramadhin, who tormented the world's leading batsmen in the 1950s with his confounding deliveries while becoming a hero in the cricket-mad West Indies, has admitted that he cheated for 30 years.
Ramadhin, who took 158 Test wickets for the West Indies, told the Daily Mail yesterday that he threw rather than bowled his faster delivery and was allowed to get away with it. "It's about time I got it off my conscience,'' he said.

Ramadhin said he concealed the throwing action as best he could by keeping his shirt sleeve buttoned at the wrist. That meant that any bending of the elbow, which is against the rules and turns the delivery into a throw, would be difficult to spot.

``Nowadays, the television cameras would have picked it up immediately...But I got away with it in every grade of cricket for 30 years,'' he said.Ramadhin, who at 5-feet-4 was a short man even by cricketing standards, said, "There was no way somebody of my build could have produced my faster ball without throwingit.''

The 69-year-old came clean as he weighed into the increasing debate on the action of Sri Lanka's spin bowler Muttiah Muralitharan. Muralitharan was called for throwing in a recent limited-overs series in Australia, the umpiring decision reopening speculation over his action that started on Sri Lanka's previous tour to Australia.

The Sri Lankan has been cleared of "chucking" by the International Cricket Council in the past, based on medical evidence of a physical deformity, but he will come under increased scrutiny when the cricket World Cup starts in England on May 14.

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:29 am
by mapoui
you are a skunt and a blind one at that too!!
I saw and know that article for many years now. I tossed it in the garbage and never gave it a second thought, from the minute I read it!


1) who wrote that article, conducted that interview with Ram?

2) how credible is it! who verified it..Ramadin? when, where how?

3) why would Ramadin suddenly feel guilty and come clean, to sully his pristine career, to someone who refuses to sign their work?

Ramadin new Arlott, hob-knobbed with the best! if he had something to say to the cricket world, he could have spoken to any of a bevvy of great journalists, not least of all CLR James the great westindian writer and philosopher.

Ramadin was no county cricketing lout but one of the greatest cricket figures of the time. Ram had taken 158 test wickets and few had taken so many at that time. Ram supposedly spoke to whover it is behind that article! nonsense! Ramadin could have called any the big newspapers if he wanted to say something, and they would have sent one of their accredited people to speak with him.

4) guilt! is Ramadin christian..or Hindu? I ask becuase the only relevant sense of guilt I know of is the christian one! Ramadin may have felt christian guilt if he had occassion to feel it by being christian himself. but if he wasnt christian....?

also having lived in a christian world all his life and exposed to the awful behavior of christians in life generally, on all levels high and low, why would that experience not have disabused Ramadin of any sense of guilt for something as simple as shiing a ball in cricket?

5) what is hard for me to do, is to disabuse myself of the suspicion that Peter May and Colin Cowdrey, colluded with the english empires off the field to achieve a nutralisation of the effectiveness of Ramadin against english batting. they all had to have colluded on the interpretation of the then LBW rules, to protect english wickets and so neutralise Ramadin.

from the get go in the second innings the umpires refused to give the english batsmen out. and that continued for almost 3 days as may and Cowdrey batted to huge scores.

May and and Cowdrey put on what 411-or was it 511 for the fourth wicket, first test in 1957, second innings after Ram ran through them in the first innings. the english empires 'interpreted' the padwork of May and Cowdrey as legal and refused to give them out.

it all looks like colluision to me from all the literature I have read of that test match!

and what of the westindian captains role in that issue? John Goddard bowled Ramadin for 98 overs on a trot forever neutralisng Ram as an effective factor in international bowling from then on!

given all of this, again, why on earth would Ramadin 'feel guilty about shiiing a ball or 2' in test cricket, so much so he confessed to it in front of some skunt englishman/journalist who publishes it unattributed?

one would think that such a journalist, copping a coup by getting a Ram interview, would have been besides himself to put his name on the the results of his efforts

Ramadin was part of the 1951 tour of OL, the year after westindies had won its fist series in england. the Oz had their way with the westrindies then...absolutely. the oz did so much wickedness to the westindies in the setting up of that tour, the only thing they did not do ultimately is eff our bwoys actually

at that time too there was a white civil war going on in the westindies team between the TT's and bajans. led by Goddard and stollmeyer who apparently had little love for each other. that war contributed greatly to westindies failure during those years...1951 to 1957

that civil war was over who should lead between the two players listed. but there was also the racial war over the captaincy for the W's by 1951 were already clearly better leaders than any of the white players on the side..Worrell in particular

6) I list all this to clarify that cricketing life in Ramadins time was no bed of roses and players were no wilting flowers or damp personalities prone to feel guilty about simplicities like chucking, so much so to go confess their souls publicly.

and as far as I know there has never been another mention of any chucking by Ramadin ever since I saw that article some years ago.

if there was any creduibility to it others would have followed up on it. but just like I did no one took it seruiously at all. now to throw it up in our faces demonstrates how smart the poster involved is

the last tour Ramadin made with the westindies was 1961 to Oz under Worrell. that was a tour filled with a controversy over Oz pelters. at the time that was a real problem in Oz, which they blamed on baseball.... for the Oz fast bowlers, with the exception of Davidson, were all pelters.

the english in 1957 who defeted he westindies 3 games to nil, contained a great pelter in Peter Loader who tormented westindies batting, while May and Cowdrey 'neutralised' ramadin....

some do not know the history of the westindiangame so that they believe everything they come across on a printed page.

Ramadin never pelted! I never saw Ramadin pelt when I saw him bowl at the QPO. and I do not, and will never believe he ever chucked in any form at all..whether deliberate or as a consequence of natural action.

Sonny Ramadin was a perfect spin bowler of the higest class as player and person, who did not have to, and would never have confessed any such damm nonsense as alleged here....to some non-entity english journalist, when the best cricket journalists who ever lived, knew Ramadin personally, and who would only have been too glad to have interviewed him

googly is a blinkered skunt who cant think past his nose

the white countries get away with murder in international cricket! I go be concerned if in fact Ramm did pelt a ball or 2!

on the other had I saw Richards shiie a ball that cleaned-up Dean Jones who was giving westindies hard time back in 1984 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Was Charlie Griffith a CHUCKER?

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:37 pm
by mapoui
also ramadin was the landlord of an inn or pub in england for years and years! bad publicity could not have been good for how he made his living. good publicty yes but not bad.

if Ram chucked and admitted it.... it would not have been good for business presumably!

which makes it all that more implausable that he would have confessed to chucking to a cricket journalist and have the thing bandies all over england where Ram both lived and made his living.

that article is not worth the paper it is written on